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1 hour ago, DirtyBird said:

The appropriate time? I thought he you wanted him to earn the win.

Why not let him get out of his own mess then?

He was very tired.  Highest pitch count in a couple years.  I’m glad they challenged him, but they probably left him in one batter too long.  

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Voth has clearly not pitched well this year, but let's look at his usage. Why is he being brought in with runners in scoring position in the middle of innings? For a team that preaches their use of an

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I hope not.  He needs to figure some things out at the major league level. He deserves more rope.

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It could be a tough call.  I’m hoping for a better start this Sunday.   Last night, Grayson pitched to 23 batters.  He got to two strikes on 18 of them.  That’s pretty astounding.  On those 18:

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1 hour ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

I'm a big fan of Nick Vespi. He's been mostly great every time I've seen him in relief for the Orioles last season. For the life of me, I have no idea why they kept optioning him back down to the minors. He's a very competent left handed reliever. I'm looking forward to the day he gets the call again and they keep him with the Big League team. Stop giving him the yo-yo. He deserves to be in the big leagues and he will help the team.

Vespi’s expected ERA last year was 5.49. He’s a soft tossing lefty that gets by with an above average slider. Unfortunately, major league hitters figure that stuff out and he got barreled more than 10% of the time. If they want to give Vespi another shot, that is fine, but I don’t think he is a future cornerstone of the bullpen.

Every team has Nick Vespis in AAA. Because of that, the front office appears to have viewed his utility to the team as a guy they can call up if they need a fresh arm in the bullpen and option back when they need a different arm. 

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7 hours ago, DirtyBird said:

The appropriate time? I thought he you wanted him to earn the win.

Why not let him get out of his own mess then?

Because he was at 100 pitches.  Imagine if he pitched 10-15 more pitches, and then has an injury in the next week or two.  That would not have been very smart.  Hyde let him go as far as he could.  Heck, even 100 pitches might have been too much.  Let's hope it wasn't.

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Since this thread is about Voth, I watched two of the Spring Training games that were televised where he pitched, and he was dreadful in Florida as well.  Both time, he was lit up....I think the Red Sox were one of the games, and I can't remember the other, but he was getting mashed.....and he was starting with clean innings.  He clearly had a spot held for him on the team, because I'm not sure he earned it down there.

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Spring Training Stats for Voth:

IP - 10.2

Hits - 15

Home Runs - 4

WHIP - 1.69

ERA - 6.75

K/BB - 7/3

These are not solid numbers, and the ineffectiveness has carried over into the season.  I guess he made the team because of the Tate and Givens injury, but we someone more effective right now. 

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Voth is out of options so he has to be exposed to waivers to be send him down.  Probably gets claimed.  He is makes 1.85M.   Its been 11 games.  Too early for that move.  Best thing the O's can do is put him on mop  up duty while they try to fix him.

I think the next move is to option Gillaspie and call up Krehbiel to eat up some of these innings.

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2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Voth is out of options so he has to be exposed to waivers to be send him down.  Probably gets claimed.  He is makes 1.85M.   Its been 11 games.  Too early for that move.  Best thing the O's can do is put him on mop  up duty while they try to fix him.

I think the next move is to option Gillaspie and call up Krehbiel to eat up some of these innings.

He's probably safe until Tate or Givens comes back. 

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35 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Voth is out of options so he has to be exposed to waivers to be send him down.  Probably gets claimed.  He is makes 1.85M.   Its been 11 games.  Too early for that move.  Best thing the O's can do is put him on mop  up duty while they try to fix him.

I think the next move is to option Gillaspie and call up Krehbiel to eat up some of these innings.

I won’t say zero chance he’s claimed but he’s close to zero and if someone did and they alleviated them of that salary, who cares?

Voth was cannon fodder prior to coming here. He performed well for us but it’s not like he’s that good. Him falling on his face isn’t exactly surprising.

Not that he can’t turn it around but it really doesn’t matter if we find out or not.

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I won’t say zero chance he’s claimed but he’s close to zero and if someone did and they alleviated them of that salary, who cares?

Voth was cannon fodder prior to coming here. He performed well for us but it’s not like he’s that good. Him falling on his face isn’t exactly surprising.

Not that he can’t turn it around but it really doesn’t matter if we find out or not.

Exactly. Nobody is claiming him because Elias decided to pay him 1.8M this year. Maybe that was part of his plan, to allow him to pass through waivers if needed. Either way, Voth should not be in Baltimore any longer. Bring up Watkins. 

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Voth has clearly not pitched well this year, but let's look at his usage. Why is he being brought in with runners in scoring position in the middle of innings? For a team that preaches their use of analytics, why are they not looking at his career stats as a reliever? Apparently they don't matter like AAA split numbers don't matter to them.

As a reliever, Voth gives up a .303/.369/.520/.890 to the first batter he faces. Does that seem like a guy you want to use in these situations? Last year it was even worse at .351/.403/.526/.930 in 24 PAs. 

Not every pitcher can warm up quickly and some take awhile to get use to the mound. These are guys you start off fresh innings with, not guys you bring into close game with runners on in the middle of an inning.

It's just poor usage.

Now saying that, Voth has hung 3 curveballs that were hit hard and his curveball has been very inconsistent this year so far. It has a little less average vertical movement but I think that's because he's spun a few. Overall, his stuff looks about the same besides hanging those curves, and it's worth noting that he pitched much better when he started a fresh inning. 

I'm not saying he's a special guy or anything, but he should be used in a bulk relief role and never during mid-inning with runners in scoring position in close games.

 

 

 

 

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It seems like every time Voth comes in from the pen he struggles in his first few batters and then settles in around his second inning. Maybe he just works better as a spot starter? 

Either way, he's been terrible. I'm tired of it. I'd rather watch DL Hall or Spencer Watkins (2.70 ERA in Norfolk) or maybe even Bruce Zimmeraman (3.86 ERA in Norfolk). I just don't have much hope left for Voth. He's almost 31, he's got a 5 ERA and a 1.4 WHIP for his career.

I know this is a bit of an overreaction, but what ever.

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1 hour ago, waroriole said:

Exactly. Nobody is claiming him because Elias decided to pay him 1.8M this year. Maybe that was part of his plan, to allow him to pass through waivers if needed. Either way, Voth should not be in Baltimore any longer. Bring up Watkins. 

 

11 minutes ago, TommyPickles said:

It seems like every time Voth comes in from the pen he struggles in his first few batters and then settles in around his second inning. Maybe he just works better as a spot starter? 

Either way, he's been terrible. I'm tired of it. I'd rather watch DL Hall or Spencer Watkins (2.70 ERA in Norfolk) or maybe even Bruce Zimmeraman (3.86 ERA in Norfolk). I just don't have much hope left for Voth. He's almost 31, he's got a 5 ERA and a 1.4 WHIP for his career.

I know this is a bit of an overreaction, but what ever.

The only problem with Watkins and Zimmermann, 30 and 28, respectively, is they’ve never had success in the big leagues, despite being given multiple years and 150 innings to do so. 

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