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3 LHP in Detroit... Could we see Westburg? (EDIT: It's Ortiz instead)

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Sure we could see Westburg…if we get MiLB.tv.    I don’t think a call-up decision will be based on whether the pitchers we are facing for a couple of days are LHP or RHP.   It’s a long term decis

Moose Milligan
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Looks like "Promote Westburg" is the latest barely breathing horse here.

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With Hays banged up and 3 straight lefties, it's a good time to replace Vavra with Westburg. Just saying!

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2 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

A promote Westburg thread? How novel! 😎

Hey I don't see any other ones!

To me things just line up nicely here. Vavra is struggling, one of your best RHH could miss the majority of the series, you're facing 3 LH SP, and if you had to put Westburg in LF at least it isn't Camden LF. 

I think there's a chance it happens.

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1 minute ago, interloper said:

I must have missed where else it's being discussed. In the Cowser thread maybe?

I've seen it mentioned elsewhere, don't remember which threads.  

I'm fine with promoting Westburg given how bad Vavra has been.  And I like Vavra but he doesn't look good so far this year.  I'm also too exhausted to hop on this bandwagon.

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I commend the enthusiasm that some of you have regarding certain prospects. I would just like to offer a realistic bar about expectations of performance regarding guys making the jump from AAA. Almost all of them (even the best/most talented prospects) struggle out of the game (first 20-40ish games) just like our most talented prospect Gunnar, Adley, and Grayson have done.

What makes Westburg different? Is there any realistic expectation that he could in any way come up to the bigs right now and give us the kind of production that Hays has this season?

I’m not sure I understand the advocacy for top 100 prospects to be used as platoon players unless they have had extreme splits in the minors. If we can’t find a full time or almost full time place for them. Wouldn’t it be better to extrapolate the most value from them to just package them in a trade for the kind of frontline pitching that can help this team win down the stretch and into the postseason?

I don’t want to dampen ANYONE’S enthusiasm and I recognize that some of these players could be family members or close friends of posters. But I think it may be helpful to have realistic expectations of young players. And also recognize that there are only so many slots on the Major League ball club, inevitably some of these young players are going to have to go. So, close personal relationships aside, it may be helpful (maybe not) not to get too attached?

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4 minutes ago, Mooreisbetter27 said:

Is our 40 man full?  I know we could easily move some pieces around if it is, just curious.  

We have 60 day IL options to open up a 40 man spot. 
 

1. 60 day IL Seth Johnson. However, I think this would start his service clock?  I’m not sure, but we know how Elias is with service Clocks. 
 

2 & 3.  60 day IL Tate and/or Givens. They would be eligible to come off the 60 day IL on 5/26 or 5/27. They can begin a 30 day rehab assignment anytime before being activated from the 60 day IL. 
 

4. DFA O’Hearn. 
 

5. DFA an arm. Gilaspie, Zimmerman, Vespi. 

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5 minutes ago, celery said:

I would have nothing against bringing up Westburg, but I think Stowers makes the most sense. I just refuse to believe that management doesn't acknowledge his reverse splits.... He can hit lefties, so bring him up.

He’s not doing any favors to his reverse split argument right now 

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18 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

I commend the enthusiasm that some of you have regarding certain prospects. I would just like to offer a realistic bar about expectations of performance regarding guys making the jump from AAA. Almost all of them (even the best/most talented prospects) struggle out of the game (first 20-40ish games) just like our most talented prospect Gunnar, Adley, and Grayson have done.

What makes Westburg different? Is there any realistic expectation that he could in any way come up to the bigs right now and give us the kind of production that Hays has this season?

I’m not sure I understand the advocacy for top 100 prospects to be used as platoon players unless they have had extreme splits in the minors. If we can’t find a full time or almost full time place for them. Wouldn’t it be better to extrapolate the most value from them to just package them in a trade for the kind of frontline pitching that can help this team win down the stretch and into the postseason?

I don’t want to dampen ANYONE’S enthusiasm and I recognize that some of these players could be family members or close friends of posters. But I think it may be helpful to have realistic expectations of young players. And also recognize that there are only so many slots on the Major League ball club, inevitably some of these young players are going to have to go. So, close personal relationships aside, it may be helpful (maybe not) not to get too attached?

Are you sure extrapolate is the word you wanted to use there?

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16 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

I commend the enthusiasm that some of you have regarding certain prospects. I would just like to offer a realistic bar about expectations of performance regarding guys making the jump from AAA. Almost all of them (even the best/most talented prospects) struggle out of the game (first 20-40ish games) just like our most talented prospect Gunnar, Adley, and Grayson have done.

What makes Westburg different? Is there any realistic expectation that he could in any way come up to the bigs right now and give us the kind of production that Hays has this season?

I’m not sure I understand the advocacy for top 100 prospects to be used as platoon players unless they have had extreme splits in the minors. If we can’t find a full time or almost full time place for them. Wouldn’t it be better to extrapolate the most value from them to just package them in a trade for the kind of frontline pitching that can help this team win down the stretch and into the postseason?

I don’t want to dampen ANYONE’S enthusiasm and I recognize that some of these players could be family members or close friends of posters. But I think it may be helpful to have realistic expectations of young players. And also recognize that there are only so many slots on the Major League ball club, inevitably some of these young players are going to have to go. So, close personal relationships aside, it may be helpful (maybe not) not to get too attached?

You're making more of a case than is needed here. I'm simply saying you gain a small tactical advantage by replacing a lefty on your bench with a righty for this series in particular. Even if Westburg goes right back down, he's a better option than Vavra just on the platoon odds. And again, you're a RH bat short with Hays out.

Overall I doubt it actually happens, but it's hard to imagine a more logical time to have him debut.

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