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You can try and spin this season on injuries, and it's a factor. But the total inability to create any kind of momentum even with their healthy players is an utter fail. Gunner didn't get a hit and struck out 4 times in this series..Santander failed too...to get just 1 run in two crucial games is a shameful embarrassment. I think they will not re-sign either Burnes or Santander..but they better get some players who can put the freaking bat on the ball in clutch situations...Also, Im a guy who hasn't ripped Hyde all year, or really ever..but going to the pen at 75 pitches for a pretty good Eflin outing was a panic move...and it tuned out not to matter anyway...1 run in 2 games isn't going to win any series..and we didn't deserve to advance either...just so disappointing and frustrating..a disgraceful series for the Orioles.Theres got to be some soul searching in this offseason, and some players need to to moved...especially Mountcastle..

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I cannot believe I'm going to sit here and watch Seth freaking Lugo shut us down in a do or die playoff game.  Put that statement into a thread back in April and you'd be called nuts.

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If we lose, I’m all in on not caring in the slightest about anything else that happens this postseason.

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10 minutes ago, Fiver6565 said:

Because it’s going to get lost in the vitriol against the bats, let me say here now that the pitching staff was awesome in this series. It should have been a sweep in the opposite direction. 

Pitching showed up. Absolutely. The batting was just plain puny. 

I don't think I'll ever get my hopes up for the O's ever again at the beginning of a season and definitely not at playoff time, assuming they somehow get that far. 

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Just now, EddeeEddee said:

His in-game managing in these playoffs I think was pretty good -- unless one faults him for the team forgetting how to hit.  I've been way more critical of Hyde outside of these two games.  

I think my issue with Hyde nearly all season long has been him waiting until the 8th or 9th for his PH decisions. It was very rare when you'd see him PH in the 5th/6th when the situation required it (i.e. bases juiced, runners on 2nd and 3rd, etc.). If you're going to manage today like a do/die by yanking Eflin so he doesn't see a 3rd time through the order, then you do the same and yank Cowser with the bases juiced, 1 out after Santander just popped out facing a lefty.

You have a bench for a reason. He had: Slater, Rivera, McCann as righties.

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2 minutes ago, spiritof66 said:

Yep. These were his guys on offense, except without Holliday and Mayo since they weren't good enough to get on the field. This team needs help almost everywhere.

Yep and I don't believe he's capable of putting a championship team together, the myth of his greatness notwithstanding.

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If I'm Rubenstein I'm letting Elias know this shit can't happen again or else. His draft picks are flopping as major leaguers and his trades outside of a couple have been horrendous but the biggest one that has to go is Hyde and the coaches and bring some hitters in not just pitchers 

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I can't think of two baseball games that I have enjoyed less than these two games.   And I have sat through youth games where the pitchers can't throw strikes and the fielders can't field.   These games thoroughly took the air out me.   There was one hit that even made me perk up.  Just a couple turds for baseball games. 

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2 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

I think my issue with Hyde nearly all season long has been him waiting until the 8th or 9th for his PH decisions. It was very rare when you'd see him PH in the 5th/6th when the situation required it (i.e. bases juiced, runners on 2nd and 3rd, etc.). If you're going to manage today like a do/die by yanking Eflin so he doesn't see a 3rd time through the order, then you do the same and yank Cowser with the bases juiced, 1 out after Santander just popped out facing a lefty.

You have a bench for a reason. He had: Slater, Rivera, McCann as righties.

In his defense that's not much of a bench -- except maybe Rivera who has hit well lately.  I expected the bullpen to get lit up and it didn't happen.  Weirdly these two games kind of vindicated Elias and Hyde in that the pitching was more than adequate.  But I've never seen an O's offense just die like this.  It's almost like the curse of Mateo's injured elbow or something put a hex on this team.  

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