Hunter Harvey, stud

[Ohfan67]

I wouldn't characterize it that way. After all he wasn't allowed to use his cutter, which Bundy has referred to as his best pitch.

Both of the things I stated were true. Not sure how you can "characterize" it any other way. The O's had him on a stupidly short pitch count and he threw primarily fastballs by inferior hitters once through the lineup.

Another very questionable handling of a top prospect. The ridiculous pitch count didn't prevent him from getting injured and he didn't learn to face hitters a second and third time. Not letting him throw the cutter also seems dumb. DD mentioned in an interview within the last week or so that the majority of ML pitchers are now throwing a cutter and commented on its effectiveness. Their handling of Bundy and Gausman has been odd to say the least.

Anyway, Harvey is fun to follow. Didn't mean to sidetrack so much.

[Can_of_corn]

You don't know what Harvey is allowed or not allowed to do or what he is working on in games.

Yes I do. I have read that he is under direction to get hitters out.

As opposed to say throw at least 10 change ups.

[Can_of_corn]

Both of the things I stated were true. Not sure how you can "characterize" it any other way. The O's had him on a stupidly short pitch count and he threw primarily fastballs by inferior hitters once through the lineup.

Another very questionable handling of a top prospect. The ridiculous pitch count didn't prevent him from getting injured and he didn't learn to face hitters a second and third time. Not letting him throw the cutter also seems dumb. DD mentioned in an interview within the last week or so that the majority of ML pitchers are now throwing a cutter and commented on its effectiveness. Their handling of Bundy and Gausman has been odd to say the least.

Anyway, Harvey is fun to follow. Didn't mean to sidetrack so much.

You said "Letting it all out". You can't "Let it all out" if you are not allowed to use your best pitch. He was told to shelve his cutter to force the development of his change up.

That is like telling a Fencer to go all out but making him use his off hand.

[Ohfan67]

Yes I do. I have read that he is under direction to get hitters out.

As opposed to say throw at least 10 change ups.

Sure you do. You read it. He's not workng on any pitches, any location. Sure. You read it.

[Can_of_corn]

Sure you do. You read it. He's not workng on any pitches, any location. Sure. You read it.

You questioning my honesty?

You really want to go there?

[Ohfan67]

Not really arguing that we didn't get to see what Bundy could do when the rotation rolls over a couple of times. The second pitch would have been very important then and I think the orioles were misguided for taking it away. But it still makes it hard to know how Bundy would have faired if allowed to pitch six innings on a regular basis. I'm sure he would have done well but he would have had the experience of getting tired and facing hitters multiple times. The way he was handled allowed him to basically pitch like a dominating bullpen pitcher for a few innings. He didn't have to worry about losing fastball speed as he tired, etc.

Sorry for sounding so argumentative. I didn't mean to be so aggressive.

[Ohfan67]

You questioning my honesty?

You really want to go there?

I apologize. I didn't mean to be so aggressive.

[Can_of_corn]

For the record I didn't say Harvey wasn't working on his change in game situations. He says he is. He said he has not been given any specific guidelines as to what pitches he can not, or must throw.

Edit- We're good.

[Can_of_corn]

Rough start today.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Hunter Harvey today for Delm at WVa: 4 2/3 innings, 7 hits, 3 R-ER, 2 BB, 5 strikeouts. ERA is now 1.85 for Shorebirds.</p>— Steve Melewski (@masnSteve) <a href="

">May 18, 2014</a></blockquote>

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[webbrick2010]

Josh Hader

Pitched in relief, the Astros alternate their minor league pitchers from starter to long relief and back

IP : 4

H : 4

ER : 1

BB : 2

K : 9

Season ERA 2.53

Seasnon BAA .188

[Can_of_corn]

Josh Hader

Pitched in relief, the Astros alternate their minor league pitchers from starter to long relief and back

IP : 4

H : 4

ER : 1

BB : 2

K : 9

Season ERA 2.53

Seasnon BAA .188

This thread is about Hunter Harvey.

You can tell by the title.

[jamesenoch]

This thread is about Hunter Harvey.

You can tell by the title.

Here is something Harvey-related.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23636

[Can_of_corn]

Here is something Harvey-related.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23636

Nice to see the heated debate was over if he was a future #3 that flashed #2 or a future #2.

[kyleott]

Here is something Harvey-related.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23636

Really interesting read, thanks for sharing.

Seems like the first scouting report was meant to be the conservative side of the conversation, and if the worst thing Harvey projects as is a no. 3 starter who can flash no. 2 ability, then sign me up.

For the record, I tend to think his fastball will sit at the 70 level when it is all said and done. Depends on the velocity of course, but for all the praise about his frame adding weight, one would think something has to uptick a bit.

[Il BuonO]

Here is something Harvey-related.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23636

It's nice to see the pitches are all projected to be above ML average because that gives this statement some weight:

"He has the mentality of a big leaguer. He is focused on the mound and pitches without fear. He ramps it up when the situation calls for it. Nothing gets under his skin."