Losses when leading after 8 innings

[AZRon]

If I'm reading correctly Baseball-Reference, this year to date, the O's have lost 2 games when leading after 8 innings

Last year, for the full season, they lost 0 games when leading after 8 innings

Here's their loss total when leading after 8 innings for each year since 2012:

2012 - 1
2013 - 9
2014 - 4
2015 - 2
2016 - 0
2017 - 2

[Frobby]

I think you've misread the charts.    The stats you gave were for the start of the 8th inning, not the end of it.    We lost zero games we were leading after 8 last year, and have lost two this year (Yankees and Nats).

[AZRon]

10 hours ago, Frobby said:

I think you've misread the charts.    The stats you gave were for the start of the 8th inning, not the end of it.    We lost zero games we were leading after 8 last year, and have lost two this year (Yankees and Nats).

Thanks -- I corrected my post

[sportsfan8703]

Losses after 1 inning hurt more. We had a bunch of those with Ubaldo and Mike Wright last year. 

[Frobby]

11 hours ago, AZRon said:

 

Here's their loss total when leading after 8 innings for each year since 2012:

2012 - 1
2013 - 9
2014 - 4
2015 - 2
2016 - 0
2017 - 2

2013 really stands out like a sore thumb.   In the AL, here are the total lost games after leading going into the 9th for those years:

2012 - 50 (14 teams)

2013 - 57 (15 teams)

2014 - 57 (15 teams)

2015 - 41 (15 teams)

2016 - 45 (15 teams)

2017 - 11 (15 teams)

 

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

2013 really stands out like a sore thumb.   In the AL, here are the total lost games after leading going into the 9th for those years:

2012 - 50 (14 teams)

2013 - 57 (15 teams)

2014 - 57 (15 teams)

2015 - 41 (15 teams)

2016 - 45 (15 teams)

2017 - 11 (15 teams)

 

In 2014 the starting pitching was so good and the rest of the division was mediocre. 

Doesn't take a genius to see that JJ's performance in 2012 and inconsistencies in 2013 are the main differences those years. 

Last year all about Zach. 

[webbrick2010]

Need a closer

Brach does not appear to have what it takes, not only has he blown 2 saves but they were easy saves (multiple run lead entering with no one on base).

Hopefully he won't be as bad as Jim Johnson in 2013. I fear Buck sticking with him even after multiple blown saves

[Frobby]

I think it's interesting how rarely teams lose when they enter the 9th with a lead these days.    The key thing to remember is that a 9th inning blown save does not always equate to a loss.    Sometimes only the tying run is allowed and then the team wins later.   Sometimes the go-ahead runs are allowed in the top of the 9th but the home team comes back in the bottom half to win or tie it up.    In general, I think about 1/3 of 9th inning blown saves do not result in a loss.    But in 2013, our bullpen blew 10 9th inning leads (9 by JJ) and the team managed to lose 9 of them.   

[eddie83]

Team won 93 games in 2012 and 85 in 2013. 8 game difference in record and blowing leads in the 9th. 

Except for the 14 season when in theory the team could have afforded a couple more late losses  and in 15 when the team simply had a down year, the 9th inning sent the team to the playoffs in 12 and 16. 

Why I firmly believe closers have more value on some teams than others. 

[backwardsk]

19 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

Need a closer

Brach does not appear to have what it takes, not only has he blown 2 saves but they were easy saves (multiple run lead entering with no one on base).

Hopefully he won't be as bad as Jim Johnson in 2013. I fear Buck sticking with him even after multiple blown saves

What do you recommend?  Is there someone internal?  Who do you think will trade their closer in mid May?  White Sox, maybe.  What should we give up for him?