What’s the consensus about Schoop?

[Going Underground]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It’s because you can tell that Schoop is just in a bad slump, not someone who appears to be in an irreversible permanent decline.    

I see you went to the game. What was the percentage of Red Sox fans?

[Frobby]

3 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

I see you went to the game. What was the percentage of Red Sox fans?

Actually, not that high.   I was pleasantly surprised.    I think a lot of O’s fans came for the bobblehead.

[wildbillhiccup]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

No, he gave Manny a pass but not Schoop.   Said he got bad advice from his agent.   

Schoop's a grown man. He should be able to make his own decisions. Skipping FanFest was just him passively aggressively supporting his buddy, Manny. And we're still talking about it because he hasn't given us a reason to forget it (i.e., he's seriously under performing).

[InsideCoroner]

13 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It’s because you can tell that Schoop is just in a bad slump, not someone who appears to be in an irreversible permanent decline.    

Good point. 

[esmd]

I'd consider moving him if he can get back in a grove at the plate.  He had a career year last year, and if he can get going offensively, you'll be selling high.  He'll be a 27 year old pending FA next season.  The likelihood of him resigning isn't good, especially if they have the fire sale this year and go young as they should next year.  The time to move him for the best value is at this years deadline or this offseason.  You just have to hope that he rebounds at the plate to re-establish the value he had after last season.

[jtschrei]

Does anyone seriously think the O's would do a total reboot and trade all their semi-young guys? No way. They're not trading Schoop. The organization doesn't do that kind of plan. 

We'd be selling low on Schoop if we traded him now anyway. Last year, he looked like budding superstar. I don't know what the problem is but it seems like the coaching is not helping. And yet no changes are made. Sigh.... 

 

[SteveA]

4 hours ago, ScGO's said:

Schoop should be shopped.  If he plays this poorly next year, would he even be extended a qualifying offer?  Whether he is offered one or not, I don't think the O's would extend it if he's playing like this.  We need to shop him now, or it may be no return at all.  I bet someone would bite on him now even as poorly as he's playing. 

 

No to an extension.  Time to clear payroll.  No current player should be on this roster two years from now if we hope to head in positive direction.  I think even Bundy and Mancini should be shopped at this point if there is a positive return.  Sisco would be the only player on the current 25 (maybe Hess and Castro, but even they aren't future game changers in my opinion) who I would like to see on our 2020 roster if we hope to be headed in the right direction.  Everyone else needs to be traded or waived.

So you want to trade him while is value is way lower than it has been in a while?

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, SteveA said:

So you want to trade him while is value is way lower than it has been in a while?

I'm not at all sure player trade values fluctuate that much.

[SteveA]

I've never been a "fire the coach" guy.   I think it's scapegoating at its worst.   But Schoop and Mancini were two of our best hitters last year and they stink right now.   We have another guy who is historically bad.    And while I don't blame it all, or even most of it, on Coolbaugh, at some point you have to send a message and have some semblance of accountability.

The only problem is that the likely successor is the assistant hitting coach.   And if there is a problem, he is probably as much a part of it as Coolbaugh.

Also, don't fire Coolbaugh TODAY.   Wait until after his birthday.   Do it tomorrow.

[SteveA]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm not at all sure player trade values fluctuate that much.

Filing this post away for the next time the Orioles trade for someone who is having a good season and you criticism them for buying high (i.e. Parra).

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, SteveA said:

Filing this post away for the next time the Orioles trade for someone who is having a good season and you criticism them for buying high (i.e. Parra).

They didn't spend a lot on Parra. 

I just didn't want him at all.

They traded one close to the majors pitcher who wasn't in the top 100, and wasn't seen as being in the top five of a fairly weak Orioles prospect list.  Sure it hurt the O's because Parra was awful and they ended up needing major league ready starting pitching.

I don't think Dan was so much suckered into Parra's season as he was desperate to find a solution to RF.

 

Just checked, Davies is having a rough year eh?

[ScGO's]

22 minutes ago, SteveA said:

So you want to trade him while is value is way lower than it has been in a while?

Kinda.  Only because his value may never get higher than it is now, which isn't great, I know.   But there still has to be some shine left from his season last year, where someone would want to snatch him up.  At least I would think.  It's mostly because I'm all in on a complete fire sale, active roster and upper management (and wishfully, ownership).

[Ohfan67]

4 hours ago, InsideCoroner said:

If he’s playing hurt (?), that at least would help explain his complete collapse. 5.2 fWAR last year, this year on track for -0.5. That’s as big a projected drop as with Davis, yet I hear little said about him (probably because he’s playing next to Davis).

Their drops are not discussed similarly because Schoop's drop takes him to near zero (which is very bad), but Davis' drop takes him significantly below zero to historically bad. 

[wildbillhiccup]

8 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Kinda.  Only because his value may never get higher than it is now, which isn't great, I know.   But there still has to be some shine left from his season last year, where someone would want to snatch him up.  At least I would think.  It's mostly because I'm all in on a complete fire sale, active roster and upper management (and wishfully, ownership).

Man oh man I sure hope you aren't managing one of my mutual funds. 

[atomic]

1 hour ago, SteveA said:

I've never been a "fire the coach" guy.   I think it's scapegoating at its worst.   But Schoop and Mancini were two of our best hitters last year and they stink right now.   We have another guy who is historically bad.    And while I don't blame it all, or even most of it, on Coolbaugh, at some point you have to send a message and have some semblance of accountability.

 The only problem is that the likely successor is the assistant hitting coach.   And if there is a problem, he is probably as much a part of it as Coolbaugh.

 Also, don't fire Coolbaugh TODAY.   Wait until after his birthday.   Do it tomorrow.

He might like to have his birthday off to celebrate with family and friends.