How bad are the umpires?

[weams]

2 minutes ago, Tx Oriole said:

Umpires making mistakes is part of the game. How many times did Weaver  kick dirt on the home plate umpire? They’ve always made mistakes. We can’t take the human out of the game. 

We could by hold the quality of their work more accountable as verified by today's technology.  Write the accountability into the next CBA and have the union forego seniority protections. Relegate the umpires to the minors if they fall below certain report cards as graded by the solid tech that we have on this issue.  

[Can_of_corn]

8 minutes ago, Tx Oriole said:

Umpires making mistakes is part of the game. How many times did Weaver  kick dirt on the home plate umpire? They’ve always made mistakes. We can’t take the human out of the game. 

Food poisoning is always a risk when eating out.  How many times has Carol complained to the waitstaff?  Cooks always make mistakes.  We can't take the risk of illness out of dining out.

 

I'm in favor of getting things right.

[Tx Oriole]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Food poisoning is always a risk when eating out.  How many times has Carol complained to the waitstaff?  Cooks always make mistakes.  We can't take the risk of illness out of dining out.

 

I'm in favor of getting things right.

In cooking absolutely but with a game not so much. Mistakes in a game to make people sick. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Tx Oriole said:

In cooking absolutely but with a game not so much. Mistakes in a game to make people sick. 

The Jeffrey Maier call didn't make you ill?

[DrungoHazewood]

21 minutes ago, Tx Oriole said:

Umpires making mistakes is part of the game. How many times did Weaver  kick dirt on the home plate umpire? They’ve always made mistakes. We can’t take the human out of the game. 

We can sure try to take it out of the umps. 

It was one thing to be in 1975 and say there's no way to tell what the right call really was.  But today?  There's multiple replays and highly accurate tracking systems of every major league play.  You're telling everyone from the fans to the players to the managers to the guy flipping hot dogs that the call was unambiguously wrong and we think that's fine because humans are flawed.  And there's no way we'll let replays and reviews disrupt the flow of a game that has natural pauses every 12 seconds and we also can't be bothered to stop managers from using 11 mid-inning pitching changes a game. 

Making sure calls are wrong seems like a strange place to draw the line and fight for tradition.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, DrungoHazewood said:

We can sure try to take it out of the umps. 

It was one thing to be in 1975 and say there's no way to tell what the right call really was.  But today?  There's multiple replays and highly accurate tracking systems of every major league play.  You're telling everyone from the fans to the players to the managers to the guy flipping hot dogs that the call was unambiguously wrong and we think that's fine because humans are flawed.  And we're disrupting the flow of a game that has natural pauses every 12 seconds and we also can't be bothered to stop managers from using 11 mid-inning pitching changes a game. 

Making sure calls are wrong seems like a strange place to draw the line and fight for tradition.

Better than throwing at a guy's head.

[DrungoHazewood]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Better than throwing at a guy's head.

If you didn't want a life-altering skull fracture you shouldn't have violated that unwritten rule you'd never heard of.

[Il BuonO]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm in favor of getting things right.

And this should be the only thing that matters. Well, not you, the idea the game can get it right.

I wouldn’t care if some of those guys impersonating a home plate umpire lost their job over it. Relax, just having a little joke. We all know umpires don’t lose their jobs.

[weams]

2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

The Jeffrey Maier call didn't make you ill?

It changed my life.

[El Gordo]

Please. 

[ShoelesJoe]

13 hours ago, Tx Oriole said:

Umpires making mistakes is part of the game. 

No.

No.

A thousand times NO. 

It really burns me when people presume the umpires are “part of the game”. They are not, and never have been a part of the game. The fans are not, and never have been part of the game. Umpire mistakes are on par with fans running on the field in the middle of the game or reaching over the fence to interfere with balls in play — acts to be manifestly condemned (when the mistakes are egregious) and avoided at all cost. 

The players and managers are part of the game. Players and managers making mistakes are part of the game. Umpires are a necessary evil. 

[Frobby]

14 hours ago, weams said:

We could by hold the quality of their work more accountable as verified by today's technology.  Write the accountability into the next CBA and have the union forego seniority protections. Relegate the umpires to the minors if they fall below certain report cards as graded by the solid tech that we have on this issue.  

Statistics show umpires have gotten significantly better at calling balls and strikes over the last 10 years.    But they are still wrong quite often.   

[DrungoHazewood]

25 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Statistics show umpires have gotten significantly better at calling balls and strikes over the last 10 years.    But they are still wrong quite often.   

Before 1999 they were right all the time, since prior to the mass resignation the rulebook was just guidance.  The umps ruled by decree.  If the home plate ump decided to call stuff 18" off the plate a strike that was the rule.

At least now there's general consensus that the rules are above the umps in the hierarchy.

[spiritof66]

14 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

If you didn't want a life-altering skull fracture you shouldn't have violated that unwritten rule you'd never heard of.

Yeah. Some of baseball's unwritten rules aren't worth the paper they're not written on.

[TonySoprano]