The First Fifteen

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, DirtyBird said:

The people who complain about the return we received in trades are the types who thought we were going to get Gavin Lux and/or Dustin May for a Manny rental.

I like the ones that are complaining because guys that were healthy when traded have since been hurt.

[Trackmaster]

I think it was a salary dump more than a legitimate attempt to get quality prospects. PA didn't want to pay for production when we were clearly out of the play-offs. 

[Yardball85]

1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

What about Encarnacion and Carmona?  You can’t get raw A ball guys and forget about them because they aren’t tearing up leagues. 

Dean Kremer lead the minors in SO last year. He was hurt to start the year but he’s getting back to normal. 

Dillon Tate was a former first rounder that the writing was on the wall that he profiled better as a reliever. So we tried him for a year as a SP and he failed. Big deal, we had to.

Zimmerman has had success in AA. 

Pop, Carroll, and Phillips were all relievers we were hoping to stick. MILB strictly relievers fail all the time. 

Cumberland is a backup C type. Well he’s doing backup C type things. Good OBP. LH. 

Rogers and Valera were basically stop gaps. IMO. Both taking up 40 man spots at the time.

Diaz is coming on. 

The only disappointment so far is the injuries and Ortiz, but Ortiz could still be a contributor  as a reliever. 

Machado, Brach, and Britton were rentals. What’s Gausman and O’day(with his $15 million) doing?

This.  Very much this.  First off, not trading the players they traded, except maybe Guasman who is struggling immensely this year, would have been mind-numbingly stupid.  They got something for rentals, and we are still waiting to see if the players they got will be on the next winning team.  Second, there is no evidence whatsoever that someone other than DD would have done better during the trade purge.  Besides Gausman, they were rentals.  He got what he could.  He doesn't get an A, but he certainly doesn't get an F.  Let's see what the guys can do.

[interloper]

Now imagine the farm system without any of these guys. 

 

[99ct]

Perhaps the most interesting question - and also most difficult to answer - is, how have the guys we “wanted” but didn’t trade for performed? Obviously that involves a lot of speculation as to who was a realistic trade target. 

[Tony-OH]

5 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

What about Encarnacion and Carmona?  You can’t get raw A ball guys and forget about them because they aren’t tearing up leagues. 

Dean Kremer lead the minors in SO last year. He was hurt to start the year but he’s getting back to normal. 

Dillon Tate was a former first rounder that the writing was on the wall that he profiled better as a reliever. So we tried him for a year as a SP and he failed. Big deal, we had to.

Zimmerman has had success in AA. 

Pop, Carroll, and Phillips were all relievers we were hoping to stick. MILB strictly relievers fail all the time. 

Cumberland is a backup C type. Well he’s doing backup C type things. Good OBP. LH. 

Rogers and Valera were basically stop gaps. IMO. Both taking up 40 man spots at the time.

Diaz is coming on. 

The only disappointment so far is the injuries and Ortiz, but Ortiz could still be a contributor  as a reliever. 

Machado, Brach, and Britton were rentals. What’s Gausman and O’day(with his $15 million) doing?

Yeah, honestly Kremer may be the best prospect we got in this deal and people are glossing over him because he was hurt early in the season. Zimmeman has taken a step forward this year, and it's too early to call Diaz a bust though he's been disappointing for sure. Pop looked like a guy who had a chance to be a piece before he blew out his elbow (he still may be 2-3 years from now) and Bannon has been decent at Bowie this year.

Gausman is the only trade that I thought the Orioles needed to get a better "center piece" high end prospect for, especially in a deep Atlanta system. But it was pretty clear that DD was told to get rid of contracts and he gave up quality of prospects by dumping O'day's contract on them.

To act like the Orioles made awful trades just means they either over estimate the guys we were trading (like a lot of sans do) or don't value some of the guys we got in return.

Both Kremer and Diaz are top 10 prospects in this system, Bannon, Zimmerman and probably Pop still are top 30 prospects. The jury is still out on Carmona (Just 19) though if I was the Orioles I'd move him back to the GCL so he can play everyday. 

[Dipper9]

On 6/27/2019 at 9:29 PM, Kaven5 said:

Just a little update on what the Fifteen Oriole prospects back in return for Machado, Schoop, Britton, Gausman, Brach and O'Day.

Bannon      ,273 avg       4 hrs       27 rbi       .362 obp

Diaz             .245 avg      6 hrs        30 rbi       .322 obp

Kremer         2  -  4           3.32 era      43 innings      back to Frederick

Pop               Tommy John Surgery

Valera         Now with Yankees Scranton  AAA    .336 avg      10 hrs       35 rbi       .430 obp

Tate              1  -  3           4.38 era         24 innings

Carroll           Injured list  - Back

Rogers        UCL injury   probable Tommy John

Cumberland       .239 avg     2 hrs           15 rbi       .369 obp

Encarnacion       .231 avg       7 hrs      34 rbi        .286 obp

Zimmerman     2  -  2      2.72 era      72 innings

Phillips              0  -  0             3.53 era        12 innings

Carmona       .259 avg     0 hrs      0 rbi      27 abs at Aberdeen

Ortiz              2  -  6         7.19 era       56 innings

Villar    .252 avg      10 hrs      33 rbi      .315 obp

 

Hmmmm.

That is not very impressive. 

[interloper]

8 minutes ago, Dipper9 said:

That is not very impressive. 

It's not, but again I'll say imagine the farm system without some of these guys. Diaz and Kremer and Pop still have a chance to all be very good. 3 guys caught the injury bug, which is just bad luck. 

Tate is trending up. Zimmerman looks good. Bannon maybe there's something there yet. 

 

[Kaven5]

On 7/2/2019 at 7:24 AM, DirtyBird said:

The people who complain about the return we received in trades are the types who thought we were going to get Gavin Lux and/or Dustin May for a Manny rental.

Or the people who complain about the return we received in trades are the types who thought we were going to deal Manny in 2017 instead of watching his value drop every day of 2018.