Are we witnessing the death of the Orioles?

[atomic]

1 hour ago, webbrick2010 said:

LOL, The end of personal auto ownership is also coming... maybe 30 years left at most

In a country with basically no public transportation in most areas, I think that is about as unlikely scenario as you could possibly make.  

[atomic]

Baseball has an anti-trust exemption.  They aren't letting teams move.  They want expansion.  Expansion means money in every owners pocket.  They aren't just give the Nationals the market to themselves and have the Orioles move in a lucrative expansion market.  

The Orioles just needs new ownership.  Bring in new ownership and a GM who can build a team we will have tons of fans.  

[atomic]

I would also like to mention that DC was in much worse shape than Baltimore in the 1980's and 1990's.  Murder capital of the nation.  NFL team moving.  NHL and NBA team weren't in the city.   No MLB team. 

Cities can turn things around.  

[weams]

1 hour ago, webbrick2010 said:

LOL, The end of personal auto ownership is also coming... maybe 30 years left at most

Horse and Buggy ownership is still strong in Lancaster County. 

[Redskins Rick]

10 minutes ago, fansince1988 said:

As won’t be in Oakland much longer. Vegas is knocking. 

For reasons totally unrelated to how Baltimore is.

Rumors about Oakland moving have been in place for decades, trust me, I have family in the bay area.

[NCRaven]

13 minutes ago, atomic said:

In a country with basically no public transportation in most areas, I think that is about as unlikely scenario as you could possibly make.  

Teleportation is the answer.  Beam me up, Scotty.

[Redskins Rick]

4 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

Teleportation is the answer.  Beam me up, Scotty.

Better thought, lets go back in time and correct past mistakes.

[NCRaven]

4 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Better thought, lets go back in time and correct past mistakes.

 

He did say that the personal automobile would be dead, so I would think that includes time traveling Deloreans too!

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, NCRaven said:

He did say that the personal automobile would be dead, so I would think that includes time traveling Deloreans too!

and that poster is never ever wrong. So book it gone.

Maybe the gold watch in the John D. McDonald book that could stop time for everybody but the person holding the watch.

I wonder how many posters never ever heard of this book.

[jjnono]

45 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

The A's survived years of Giant wins, and playing in the 2nd worst ball park in MLB.

If, when you say "survived," you mean "barely hanging on," then yes, you're right.   Still made the WC game, though...

https://www.rgj.com/story/sports/2019/10/08/mlb-commissioner-rob-manfred-oakland-athletics-move-las-vegas/3911610002/

 

[Dipper9]

4 hours ago, Todd-O said:

Not to kick this day off with doom and gloom, but I think baseball in Baltimore is in trouble.  This has everything to do with the Nats and the massive market share that franchise has stolen and is actively solidifying as life-long fans... carved-out of the the wealthy and booming areas of Northern-VA, DC, and Montgomery County.  

It's no mistake that baseball is allowing this to happen.  They know where the money is.  They wanted the region's territory to center around DC, not Baltimore.  

This year was the first year that I began to notice Camden was looking a little ragged around the edges.  The luxury suites are woefully outdated.  The hallways around the club/suite section are knocked up and looking dirty.  At one game I noted one of the food stations in that section of the stadium had filth on the floor and around the food equipment.... the stadium also has signs of wear... and the diamond-vision is looking small and outdated.  Baltimore, in general, is experiencing really tough times. Even the once clean and shiny areas around the stadium are looking ragged – concrete crumbling, weeds, little foot traffic.  It's not a magnet for investment.  It's not a destination for tourism.  It's not a town that suburbanites are heading to – the Baltimore riots and the immediate post-riot drop in stadium attendance at Camden is proof enough.  If you need more proof, just go wander 

You contrast that with what's happening at Nationals Stadium and DC in general.  Billion dollar business are putting offices down in the stadium area.  Condos are going up fast... the restaurant/bar scene is exploding.  And that really extends across the greater DC area, straight into Bethesda and Northern VA.  

While I'm not a fan of the vibe in National's Park, the amenities and state-of-the-art feel is hard to ignore... not to mention the fact that business are packed into their luxury boxes.

 

Peter Angelos saw this coming 100 miles away.  He knew the value of the DC market was invaluable to the Orioles.  

This year we heard the first rumblings of actual destinations for the Orioles. And while it was shot down, I think it's only a matter of time before the team succumbs to the strength and pull of the Nationals, and the fact that our Metro area isn't as large or balanced as places such as New York or LA.  The Nats are big spenders...and they aren't showing any sign of slowing down.  They tripped the luxury tax threshold 3x in four years... this is Yankees/Red Sox/LA territory.

Baltimore is now a perennial small market team.

 

I give the Orioles 8 years before the MLB helps usher their departure to more fertile grounds.  It could be sooner, depending on who ultimately buys the team.  Breaks my heart to think that way, but I'm having a hard time seeing this play out any differently.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but there is always this...

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/paramount-baltimore-entertainment-district-warner-street/29442268# 

As little as 3 years ago the stadium was booming with playoff baseball.  If this rebuild goes as planned, it will be booming again.  

People will come Ray........Ohhhhhhhhhh, people will come. 

[Dipper9]

3 hours ago, Going Underground said:

As for the statement about building around Baltimore and the stadium area. As i have said before ,the city is expanding rapidly in some areas and dying in others. 

Port Covington is one of the biggest HQ and revitalization projects on the East Coast. On the other side of the stadium near the casino, they are building a Top Golf  and now two concert halls.,the Paramount and Hammerjacks reopening. Also Canton.Harbor East, Woodberry and other areas keep getting new condos,apartments and restaurants.

 

https://www.southbmore.com/2019/10/11/plans-revealed-for-3750-seat-the-paramount-baltimore-music-venue-across-from-mt-bank-stadium/

 

https://baltimorefishbowl.com/stories/50-million-3750-seat-concert-venue-proposed-for-south-baltimore/

 

https://pc.city/development/

 

https://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-liberty-harbor-east-20191014-q56ifdkwjff77p3erpgazbzmaa-story.html

 

Oops, you beat me to it.  

[LocoChris]

People need to stop pretending the Nats are brand new. They’ve been around since ‘05. 

[Number5]

54 minutes ago, atomic said:

I would also like to mention that DC was in much worse shape than Baltimore in the 1980's and 1990's.  Murder capital of the nation.  NFL team moving.  NHL and NBA team weren't in the city.   No MLB team. 

Cities can turn things around.  

Ridiculous statement.

FYI, The Jets and Giants don't play in NYC.  The Patriots don't play in Boston.  The Cowboys and Rangers don't play in Dallas.  Sports teams playing in the suburbs is not the death knell for a city, as you are claiming.

[atomic]

2 minutes ago, Number5 said:

Ridiculous statement.

FYI, The Jets and Giants don't play in NYC.  The Patriots don't play in Boston.  The Cowboys and Rangers don't play in Dallas.  Sports teams playing in the suburbs is not the death knell for a city, as you are claiming.

When Giants stadium was built NYC was in pretty bad condition.  Tons of crime and talk of the city going bankrupt.  It isn't the NYC you see today. 

DC was in worse shape then we are now.  Crack smoking mayor.  Tons of crime.  Highest murder rate in the country with under reporting of murders.  Georgetown fought a metro stop as they didn't want all the crime hitting the one part of the city with low crime.