Jump to content

Salary Arbitration makes O's infield uncertain

wildcard

By wildcard
in Orioles Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
Posted

The non tender date is December 2nd.  8 days away.   It may provide insight into what the O's infield will look like is 2021.

The O's have 7 salary arbitration eligible players.   Mancini, Sanchez, Alberto, Santander, Severino, Valaika and Armstrong.

Safe:   Mancini and Santander will be offered arbitration.   Elias does not have to negotiate their contracts before Dec 2nd.

Worth the money:  Armstrong has projections between 700k and 1m.  He is probably worth the money so Elias probably offers him arbitration which will have little impact of the payroll.

Elias needs to make decisions  on whether to sign these players or non tender them by December 2nd:

Sanchez:  Cots Contracts projects him at 4M.  That is probably too rich for the O's.  His Gold Glove would be a defensive upgrade at 2B and a backup at SS.   He can also play 3B.  His projected production is in the 660 OPS range.  So it would be a defense over offense signing.   Sanchez made 4.6m in 2019 but was non tendered to avoid arbitration by the White Sox prior to the 2020 season.  With Iglesias a 3.5m,  Elias probably wants a salary below that for Sanchez.   Its probably sign by Dec 2nd or be non tendered is my guess.  Iglesias and Sanchez could be quite a keystone pair if he signs.

Alberto:  Projects to be close to a  400 OBP and a 900 OPS vs lefties in a platoon.   He has been in the low 600s OPS vs righties.  His defense is average at 2B and 3B.   MLBTR projects him somewhere between 2.3m and 4.1m.  Elias will not want to go to arbitration with him.   He will have to agree to something close to the low end of this range to stay.   My guess is it has to happen by Dec 2nd or he will be non tendered.

Severino:   The O's would probably like to keep him until Rutschman is ready.   MLBTR projects his salary to be between   1.4m and 2.3m.  The O's would probably be fine with something on the lower end of that range.  Wynns has been kept on the 40 man roster in case they can not agree.   My guess is he has to sign before December 2nd or be non tendered.  

  Valaika:   Raised his value last year with a 791 OPS.  The improvement is probably because he played almost everyday. That was  at multiple positions.   He probably will not be needed in the outfield or at 1B this coming season.  His best position is 2B but he can play SS or 3B.  MLBTR projects him for a salary between 1.1m to 1.9m.   O's would probably like to see if he can duplicate his OPS in 2021 and would be fine with something on the lower end of that range.   He probably has to be signed by Dec 2nd.  

Depending on how this works out and what Elias sees on the waiver wire will determine next seasons infield.  Ruiz will also come to compete for a spot in ST if he is able to stay on the roster throughout he off season.  

JMO..... What do you think?

 

 

  • Upvote 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 101
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

wildcard
wildcard

The non tender date is December 2nd.  8 days away.   It may provide insight into what the O's infield will look like is 2021. The O's have 7 salary arbitration eligible players.   Mancini, Sanche

DirtyBird
DirtyBird

DJ Stewart isn't any good We don't know if Diaz is any good Santander looks like he will be a good player who is enjoyable to watch who will be around for the next 4 seasons if we want him.

DirtyBird
DirtyBird

Yeah - aside from being the best player on the roster, there isn't much to like.

Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

Frobby

Posted
Posted

I cannot imagine how Cot’s projects Sanchez at $4 mm.   We’re talking about a guy who was non-tendered in 2019, was signed to a minor league deal by the Giants and later released, then was signed to a minor league contract by the White Sox and released again.    If the O’s offer him any kind of major league deal he should jump at it.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
foxfield Hangout Grand Counsel

foxfield

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

I think the Os should make some trades and get higher upside players and get rid of a lot of these guys.

I agree that most of these guys are completely replaceable...but it would likely be trading better players than these to get players that can probably be picked up for nothing.   Not sure what or who you think the Os should trade.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Sports Guy Hangout Grand Counsel

Sports Guy

Posted
Posted
39 minutes ago, foxfield said:

I agree that most of these guys are completely replaceable...but it would likely be trading better players than these to get players that can probably be picked up for nothing.   Not sure what or who you think the Os should trade.

There are plenty of blocked, ML ready prospects that could/should be available in trades.

We have plenty of MiL depth to pull off a deal or 2 for these types of players.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
  • Author
Posted
4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

There are plenty of blocked, ML ready prospects that could/should be available in trades.

We have plenty of MiL depth to pull off a deal or 2 for these types of players.

I doubt Elias trades away minor league prospects at this point.   My guess is that Elias' preferred trading method would be to trade players approaching free agency for younger players.  That will take a while to develop.  JMO.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Sports Guy Hangout Grand Counsel

Sports Guy

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I doubt Elias trades away minor league prospects at this point.   My guess is that Elias' preferred trading method would be to trade players approaching free agency for younger players.  That will take a while to develop.  JMO.

Don’t necessarily disagree with this but the depth could become a problem.  The adage that you can’t have too much depth is factually wrong.

At some point, you do reach that point and you risk losing players for nothing.  

So, Elias better start thinking about trading some of the depth and if he can do it for cost controlled talent, it makes sense to do so.  
 

I also think they should offer Santander in a deal as well..there are enough teams looking for OF help where something likely could be worked out there as well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lucky_13 Major Leaguer Rising Star

Lucky_13

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Don’t necessarily disagree with this but the depth could become a problem.  The adage that you can’t have too much depth is factually wrong.

At some point, you do reach that point and you risk losing players for nothing.  

So, Elias better start thinking about trading some of the depth and if he can do it for cost controlled talent, it makes sense to do so.  
 

I also think they should offer Santander in a deal as well..there are enough teams looking for OF help where something likely could be worked out there as well.

I agree with Mountcastle in Left, they should trade Santander if they believe Diaz and Stewart can replace his production. And if they're willing to call up Rutschman in 2021 they could look to trade Severino as well.

They definitely have options to flip some guys for positions of need.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
DirtyBird Hangout Grand Counsel

DirtyBird

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, Lucky_13 said:

I agree with Mountcastle in Left, they should trade Santander if they believe Diaz and Stewart can replace his production. And if they're willing to call up Rutschman in 2021 they could look to trade Severino as well.

They definitely have options to flip some guys for positions of need.

DJ Stewart isn't any good

We don't know if Diaz is any good

Santander looks like he will be a good player who is enjoyable to watch who will be around for the next 4 seasons if we want him.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lucky_13 Major Leaguer Rising Star

Lucky_13

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

DJ Stewart isn't any good

We don't know if Diaz is any good

Santander looks like he will be a good player who is enjoyable to watch who will be around for the next 4 seasons if we want him.

Yeah there's some risk involved but I think if you can get a 3B or SS as part of a package for Santander it would be worth it since they have very little depth at those positions. 

Plus they have to see what Diaz has eventually.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Posts

    • Don_Aase_Fan
      Orioles attendance 2024

      By Don_Aase_Fan · Posted

      27,299 for today’s matinee, so 96,612 for the four game set.  Will do my part by heading to the Yard next Friday for the first time this season - can’t wait! 
    • cboemmeljr
      5/2: Orioles Take The Yankees Series

      By cboemmeljr · Posted

      GAME RECAP
    • Philip
      Basallo for Miller y/n?

      By Philip · Posted

      This was an interesting and in-depth reply from MLBTraderumors.   Q: Mason Miller and Lucas Erceg are amazing, and totally wasted on the A’s right now, despite them playing better than expected. But any trade would best be for solid prospects-SEVERAL solid prospects- who are 2-3 seasons away instead of MLB-ready guys who would also be wasted on the current and near-future teams. Given that, what team has those far away prospects to pay for one of those splendid slingers? A: This brings up a philosophical question: should bad teams have nice things?  Mason Miller provides a reason to watch the A’s, and his season has been insane so far.  And while he’s under team control through the 2029 season, we can’t count on him to hold up or on this franchise to be willing to pay him those last few years if he does. So the cold-hearted logical answer is for the A’s to trade Miller as soon as possible, as he might be at peak value and could be a lot less valuable the next time this organization has a realistic shot at contending.  (I am aware that the A’s are not awful so far this year at 15-17, but I do not think they have a realistic chance at making the playoffs anytime soon). It’s worth considering that Miller was a starter in college and all through the minors.  He came down with a “mild UCL sprain” in mid-May of last year, which involved a four-month recovery period and short appearances when he returned in September. A’s GM David Forst explained to MLB.com’s Martin Gallegos last Decemberthat he’d like to see Miller stay healthy for a year as a reliever before the team considers moving him back into a starting role.  When a pitcher excels as a closer to the degree Miller has thus far, it’s often hard to get him out of that role, but if he can eventually transition back to starting, he could theoretically be even more valuable.  But given last year’s UCL sprain and the attrition rate of the game’s hardest throwers, there’s a pretty good case that Miller is indeed at peak value right now. I don’t know where the hell the A’s are going to be (as an organization) in 2026, when Miller will receive his first arbitration salary. Given the extra uncertainty around the franchise these next few years, Phillip’s case makes some sense: trade Miller (and/or Erceg) now for prospects who are several years away from the Majors. The problem with this idea is that a prospect’s uncertainty is higher the further away he is from the Majors.  Trading Miller this summer might require threading the following needles: The other team is very much in win-now mode The headline prospects you get back should be position players, since this is about mitigating risk The headline prospects you get back should perhaps be in Double-A: close enough to the Majors to have some certainty, but far enough away where you could wait at least a year to promote them So, top-ranked Double-A position player prospects on win-now somewhat likely (40% or better chance) playoff teams: Samuel Basallo, Orioles catcher Chase DeLauter, Guardians outfielder Cole Young, Mariners infielder Harry Ford, Mariners catcher Emmanuel Rodriguez, Twins outfielder Matt Shaw, Cubs infielder Kevin Alcántara, Cubs outfielder James Triantos, Cubs second baseman Dalton Rushing, Dodgers catcher/DH Spencer Jones, Yankees outfielder Jacob Melton, Astros outfielder A lot of these teams are able to assemble good bullpens without giving up top prospects, and therefore might not be in the Miller bidding.  The Cubs, though, are a good example of a team with the type of prospect that it could make sense to flip for Miller.  It all might be too cute, though – maybe just enjoy Miller where he is now.  It’s also worth keeping in mind that the A’s have not exactly hit home runs in trying to convert established good players like Matt Olson, Matt Chapman, Chris Bassitt, and Sean Manaea into prospects.  
    • Fiver6565
      May 2nd Tides game

      By Fiver6565 · Posted

      Anyone catching the game on MLB TV tonight?  I’ll probably have it on given the relative lack of other baseball options this evening. 
    • Fiver6565
      2024 Gameball Thread

      By Fiver6565 · Posted

      Bradish was great but yeah I vote for the Yankees infield. LOL. 
    • Fiver6565
      I love being wrong when we play this way.

      By Fiver6565 · Posted

      Agree fully but good luck re the overreactions on this site (or any site, in fairness). 
    • Fiver6565
      Reds Series

      By Fiver6565 · Posted

      18 SB at the end of April is pretty amazing. 

  • Popular Contributors

  • Popular Now

×
×
  • Create New...