“Get all 30 teams to compete every season”

[Orioles0615]

5 hours ago, fitzi22 said:

Adding only Adley, Grayson and DL Hall even for a full season will only keep us from losing 100 games….. if we are lucky.  Certainly not competitive.  I said this in a different post but if everything works out perfect over the next 3-4 seasons we will still only be able to field 1/2 an MLB team with our farm system.  Something else needs to be done.  Show us what else you got Elias.

Well that won't happen until 2023 or 2024. No way Adley and Grayson have a full season in Baltimore next year, and I would bet with Halls injury we don't see him until 2024

[7Mo]

1 hour ago, OrioleDog said:

For 2022, the talent on hand now, I think the best case is MLB innings allotments like:

Means 190, Rodriguez 140, Baumann 120, T. Wells 120, Bradish 120, Hall 49.5 (#FarmRankings!)

Then there's the whole crew of can sensible deployment curate a decent middle distance performer or three:

Lopez 90, Akin 90, Kremer 90, A. Wells 90, Lowther 90, K. Smith 90, Zimmermann 90

 

Getting that many innings from those guys would be best case scenario IMO, even if you take Hall out all together. 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, andrewochs615 said:

Well that won't happen until 2023 or 2024. No way Adley and Grayson have a full season in Baltimore next year, and I would bet with Halls injury we don't see him until 2024

There is a way, if they somehow get a new CBA done in time for a full season and it eliminates the advantage teams get by gaming service time.

If that happens Adley plays a full season and Grayson might.

[eddie83]

Meoli article. I know it’s Sun so some may not be able to see. 
 

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-losing-streak-analysis-20210815-2z7u47rehvfcljrhqdymeqp5hy-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

[Just Regular]

The way things are unrolling I am starting to think anywhere around Game 10-Game 40 there is a small chance Rutschman and Rodriguez debut together.

I think there perhaps could be PR synergy there vs. doing them a month apart.   Monday April 11 starts a weeklong homestand against the Brewers, with the Yankees in that weekend.

https://www.mlb.com/orioles/schedule/2022-04

[eddie83]

2 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

The way things are unrolling I am starting to think anywhere around Game 10-Game 40 there is a small chance Rutschman and Rodriguez debut together.

I think there perhaps could be PR synergy there vs. doing them a month apart.   Monday April 11 starts a weeklong homestand against the Brewers, with the Yankees in that weekend.

https://www.mlb.com/orioles/schedule/2022-04

I would call up Adley in May. Better weather, kids still in school. Like with Wieters. Grayson is all about health and innings limits. 

[Camden_yardbird]

You have to balance the players wanting more money and guard against putting small market teams into mediocrity hell, and making sure the owners are happy.

Under the current system the owners can take it in, the players suffer at the beginning of their careers due to control issues, the prime of their careers due to arbitration and the end of their careers due to better recognition of free agent player value.

I don't like a hard cap.  The system we have now is fine.

I dont like a reverse draft.

I do like a salary floor but it should still allow small market teams to do a three year tank and build.  So set a soft cap at $100 million, that allows a team to drop below that cap but requires 20% increases and only allows them below that for 2 years.  So a team can go year 1) $60 million, year 2) $72 million, year 3) $100 million.

Get rid of service time considerations.  Let the best prospect play from game 1 of the season.  

Drop team control to 5 years and arbitration to 2 if not 1.  The arbitration system allows teams to slow play players, and disincentivizes teams signing players to 1st contracts.  The players want money in players hands, and we want more competion and the ability to root for a hometown player.  Find a way to incentive early extensions, but protect small market teams from bad contracts.  Something like a forgiveness account.  Instead of some of the revenue sharing, allow a team to release one player a year from a bigger contract and "insure" that contract with what was revenue sharing money.  Big bad contracts (see Chris davis) disincentive small market teams from participating in free agency. 

Just some ideas.

[Orioles0615]

2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

There is a way, if they somehow get a new CBA done in time for a full season and it eliminates the advantage teams get by gaming service time.

If that happens Adley plays a full season and Grayson might.

I hope service time manipulation gets nuked. O's would probably still keep them down because they missed the memo. 

[sevastras]

On 8/15/2021 at 3:22 AM, Can_of_corn said:

Why should 2022 be significantly better?

Other than a partial season of Adley what do you see on the horizon?

 

120 innings split between AAA and the majors for Grayson? Ramping up to 100 pitches after the all star break?

Franco, Harvey will be gone, and hopefully Severino.  Healthy Hays, fingers crossed Hunter Harvey.  Maybe some Bannon and Jahmai Jones.  A real catcher behind the plate improves the pitching by being able to play better defense and less mistakes, giving away less outs that end up turning into runs.  The pitchers have more confidence because they dont have the 52nd ranked defensive catcher.  So yeah, throw in Grayson and Adley and I feel better about next season than this one.  I frankly dont care about the tanking if it proves to go on to a nice run and the possibility of championships, but after the last week of the media, they might burn Elias at the stake if there isnt improvements.