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I would imagine they were probably farther apart and worked towards the middle, and probably both sides felt they need to draw a line in the sand. Yankees with their unlimited resources are going

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I know you feel the need to bash the organization every step of the way, and I'm not even saying they are right here. But the bids are fine. You can choose to ignore all of the other examples and

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Oof, the Orioles are really going to an arbitration hearing over this small of a difference?   

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Just wanna add my comment about how pathetic the O’s are for taking these two to arbitration over a minimal amount. Mancini is the more egregious example because it’s his last year in arbitration, so there’s no concern about starting him too high and then continuing to have to pay more on top of that every year. plus you’re talking about 600K. 
 

With Means, I don’t know why they can’t meet him more than half way and give him $3M. 
 

I hope they lose both. 

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7 hours ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

Haven't the O's pretty much always been a file-and-trial team? Especially under the old man? Thought they had a pretty darn good record as well IIRC

As of a few years ago they had never lost a case.  Not sure if that is still the case, to be honest I don't follow this stuff all that closely.

I'm critical of many of the cost-cutting measures lately but this isn't one of them for me.  Just part of the business.  Easy to say "just pay them the money".  But you do that enough times and the agents will know you'll eventually cave.  I think the players understand this as well.   I think it's more about precedent than cash.

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15 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes, you can’t just say, give them what they want.  However, you can’t come to some resolution here?

i know it takes 2 to tango but still.  This just feels like the Os being cheap.

I would imagine they were probably farther apart and worked towards the middle, and probably both sides felt they need to draw a line in the sand.

Yankees with their unlimited resources are going to arbitration with Judge.

Austin Riley and the Braves going over a difference of ~$200,000.

Just part of the business.

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20 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes, you can’t just say, give them what they want.  However, you can’t come to some resolution here?

i know it takes 2 to tango but still.  This just feels like the Os being cheap.

They both could settle.  Despite the “file and trial” rhetoric, they’ve settled plenty of cases after exchanging figures with the player.   

For what it’s worth, Cot’s had estimated $6.9 mm for Mancini and $2.8 mm for Means.   MLBTR estimated $7.9 mm for Mancini and $3.1 mm for Means.   Nobody’s way out of bounds here.

I usually do a deep dive on the O’s Arb cases and make my predictions, but that will have to wait for the weekend.   


 

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26 minutes ago, glenn__davis said:

I would imagine they were probably farther apart and worked towards the middle, and probably both sides felt they need to draw a line in the sand.

Yankees with their unlimited resources are going to arbitration with Judge.

Austin Riley and the Braves going over a difference of ~$200,000.

Just part of the business.

It definitely is.

I don’t really care but it’s a bad look for a franchise that is obviously looking to be as cheap as they can.

Every tiny cost cutting move they make is under a microscope, as it should be.

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Let’s not forget that this is still the same cheap ass ownership that tried to defer salaries of Mancini and Santander last year.  Iirc, they made less than 7M between the 2 of them.

Maybe they are trying the same bs again?  Either way, even if they are right, they look bad here.

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By my count, there were 34 arb-eligible players who signed deals before the non-tender deadline, 161 players who signed sometime prior to yesterday’s deadline, and 38 who exchanged numbers with the team.   My guess is that well more than half of those will settle without a hearing.   

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Let’s not forget that this is still the same cheap ass ownership that tried to defer salaries of Mancini and Santander last year.  Iirc, they made less than 7M between the 2 of them.

Maybe they are trying the same bs again?  Either way, even if they are right, they look bad here.

Meh, you’re making too big a deal of it IMO.    Mancini is asking for more than either MLBTR or Cot’s estimated for him.  The O’s are basically at the midpoint of the two estimates.   Means’ number is the same as MLBTR’s estimate, $300 k above Cots.   The O’s are $100 k below Cot’s.   I think it’s likely both settle, but I don’t think either side looks bad if they don’t.   

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