Matt Harvey close to minor league deal. (Update: signed)

[Sports Guy]

BTW, Elias has confirmed this.

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Matt Bennett said:

He'll be gone if he's performing badly and someone pushes him out. Breathe

You asked a question.  Don't ask if you don't want an answer.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

BTW, Elias has confirmed this.

I just saw the tweet so this is happening. The official Orioles MASN account just posted it.

 

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

3 minutes ago, O's84 said:

I just don't get this at all.  It makes absolutely no sense, none.

Even if you throw the ethics out the window (which is not ok)…as stated in this thread…. so many better options. 

 

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I wonder what the O’s already knew about Harvey’s past drug use when they signed him last year.  There wasn’t much out there in public, but they may still have known in 2021 and decided to sign him anyway.

I have not followed the story that closely, but was Harvey really “directly involved” in Skaggs’ death?    Or was he just a party boy on the team who bought his drugs from the same source as Skaggs?

To be clear, I don’t want Harvey on the merits of his pitching, and I don’t want the PR headache either.   But, I don’t think we should overstate his connection to Skaggs’ death.   

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/allegations-matt-harvey-involved-death-teammate-tyler-skaggs

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Kay, the team’s former communications director, faces felony charges of distributing opioids and causing the opioid-related death of Skaggs in 2019 while the team was on a road trip in Texas. Per his lawyer, Reagan Wynn, Kay saw Skaggs snort a line of pink pills on the night he died. After asking where the pills had come from, Kay was allegedly told the pills were Percocets that Skaggs had obtained from Harvey.

Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. 

Let's assume, Froberto Duran, that it's not true.  That he just got his drugs from the same guy that gave it to Skaggs and that's all.  

I mean...the point still stands, IMO.  I don't mind giving a guy who's had drug issues a second chance.  Like if there was a Dwight Gooden or Darryl Strawberry equivalent talent out there right now, yeah, I'd give that guy a second chance all day every day.  The skill set and production level has to outweigh the risk.

[Moose Milligan]

Lmao @Matt Bennettreminding people to breathe here, this is hilarious

[Pickles]

23 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Are you kidding me?

I know you like being the contrarian on here sometimes but this is a weird situation to flex on.

We absolutely do have the luxury of not giving a crap about the personal aspects of an organization, but then you go ahead and say "people who actually run organizations have to take these things into consideration."

Yeah, he was professional last year but that doesn't overlook the giant cloud that's hanging over this guy's head.  I said I don't care about it and I don't.  But there are plenty of others that do...and when you take into consideration his performance last year with the opioid situation and the death of a former teammate that he was directly involved in, I'm not sure how you can justify your stance on "people who actually run organizations have to take these things into consideration."

There are plenty of other players who could give a similar performance WITHOUT the negative aspect of Harvey's personal life.   Like you said, a low maintenance break-only-in-case-of-emergency is a fine signing.

But does it have to be the guy who's a former cocaine user and played a part in Tyler Skaggs' death?  It can't be someone else who doesn't have that baggage?

I guess to some not losing my shit over these inconsequential deals and using them as an excuse to call everyone stupid or dumb, makes me a contrarian.  LOL.

The drug thing doesn't bother me.  At all.  It's a little contrarian to claim that it doesn't bother you, but then cite it as a reason to not sign him.  I suspect the vast majority of ML players use recreational drugs.  I personally ran into a very successful starting pitcher for the Rays about 10 years ago buying Swisher Sweets in Fort Worth Texas.

Again, the people who dealt with him on a day to day basis last year seem to have some appreciation for him.  That's honestly enough for me.

If they gave him a guaranteed contract, or a bunch of money, or a rotation spot, I'd criticize it.  As of now, this is a nothing move.  So forgive me for being contrarian, but I"m not going to get all worked up about it and start calling everyone a moron.

Compare it to the Odor signing.  I had the same reaction at the time: Eh.  Now, that he's made the roster, I'm less happy with it.  If he starts taking opportunities from Mateo and Urias, I'll be real unhappy about it.

But I'm not going to start calling everyone a moron the second they do something I'm not in full-throated agreeement with.

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

2 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

I just saw the tweet so this is happening. The official Orioles MASN account just posted it.

 

Nice! OxyContin bonus for 100 innings pitched? 

[Matt Bennett]

6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

You asked a question.  Don't ask if you don't want an answer.

I was happy you answered. I responded by saying why I think you shouldn't be in arms about Odor being here. He's not blocking anyone. He may not be in an Orioles jersey in May. 

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Pickles said:

I guess to some not losing my shit over these inconsequential deals and using them as an excuse to call everyone stupid or dumb, makes me a contrarian.  LOL.

The drug thing doesn't bother me.  At all.  It's a little contrarian to claim that it doesn't bother you, but then cite it as a reason to not sign him.  I suspect the vast majority of ML players use recreational drugs.  I personally ran into a very successful starting pitcher for the Rays about 10 years ago buying Swisher Sweets in Fort Worth Texas.

Again, the people who dealt with him on a day to day basis last year seem to have some appreciation for him.  That's honestly enough for me.

If they gave him a guaranteed contract, or a bunch of money, or a rotation spot, I'd criticize it.  As of now, this is a nothing move.  So forgive me for being contrarian, but I"m not going to get all worked up about it and start calling everyone a moron.

Compare it to the Odor signing.  I had the same reaction at the time: Eh.  Now, that he's made the roster, I'm less happy with it.  If he starts taking opportunities from Mateo and Urias, I'll be real unhappy about it.

But I'm not going to start calling everyone a moron the second they do something I'm not in full-throated agreeement with.

I stopped reading at inconsequential details. 

Keep playing yourself homie.  

[Pickles]

2 minutes ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

Nice! OxyContin bonus for 100 innings pitched? 

If you think Harvey is the only one popping pills, you got another thing coming to you.

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

1 minute ago, Matt Bennett said:

I was happy you answered. I responded by saying why I think you shouldn't be in arms about Odor being here. He's not blocking anyone. He may not be in an Orioles jersey in May. 

Given how cheap this org is, if they wanted to unload his salary, now would have been the time with 28 players. My guess is he will be around longer than most think. Not a fan of that decision. 

[Pickles]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

I stopped reading at inconsequential details. 

Keep playing yourself homie.  

Well, seems like you quit reading before then because I didn't use the word details, homie.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Matt Bennett said:

I was happy you answered. I responded by saying why I think you shouldn't be in arms about Odor being here. He's not blocking anyone. He may not be in an Orioles jersey in May. 

Well thank you for telling me how I should be thinking.  He's a terrible baseball player and shouldn't be here.  And yes, him starting means there is a day where Urias or Mateo isn't starting and, on this team, they should play everyday..at least until we get something from the guys in the minors.

But your question was, who else is here that does nothing for the 2022 Orioles.  He is the answer.

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

1 minute ago, Pickles said:

If you think Harvey is the only one popping pills, you got another thing coming to you.

Prob correct but I didn’t make a decision to sign the retread linked to a death of a player. Not a good look. Better options out there. I miss the Buck Showalter era (minus Ubaldo decisions).