Richie Martin could be promoted any day now

[PHRESH]

If tonight's game tells you anything, it's that the O's desperately need Richie Martin's bat in the lineup. 

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

14 minutes ago, PHRESH said:

If tonight's game tells you anything, it's that the O's desperately need Richie Martin's bat in the lineup. 

Exactly!:), Me thinks Watkins first out of rotation 

[DrungoHazewood]

20 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I don't get why people clamor for Martin.  He's not good.

Don't you get it?  He's like 9-for-his-last-18 in AAA. That's clear and obvious evidence that he's turned a corner, he's shed the shame and despair of the last 4-5 years, he's now a good MLB player.  Why would you leave a good MLB player in the minors?

[DrungoHazewood]

9 hours ago, PHRESH said:

If tonight's game tells you anything, it's that the O's desperately need Richie Martin's bat in the lineup. 

.708 OPS as a professional.  .717 in April in AAA.  But 1.026 in his last 25 PA, so yes, he's what's desperately needed to turn this franchise around.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Don't you get it?  He's like 9-for-his-last-18 in AAA. That's clear and obvious evidence that he's turned a corner, he's shed the shame and despair of the last 4-5 years, he's now a good MLB player.  Why would you leave a good MLB player in the minors?

You mean how Adley going 0-fer last night means he's not ready to be promoted?

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You mean how Adley going 0-fer last night means he's not ready to be promoted?

The insanity is real.

[DrungoHazewood]

16 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You mean how Adley going 0-fer last night means he's not ready to be promoted?

It's quite possible that his career has taken a downward turn that he'll never recover from.

[wildcard]

So you really think Odor is better than Martin.   You have to consider who we are comparing here.  Even if its Owings.  The bar ain't that high.

And as far as Adley is concerned the whole purpose of the minor league rehab is to get his bat going.  0-6  does not scream I'm hot.   Not say he will not be ready soon. Just that he is expected to breeze through AAA because of what he did last year.    .000 is not breezing.   When he start hitting he probably get promoted IMO.

I think we have to remember that Adley had an injury that we don't know how it affected him.  He is making errors on throws and he we don't know if it has  an affect of his hitting.   He may not be in the same shape that is was last season.

[Can_of_corn]

11 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

It's quite possible that his career has taken a downward turn that he'll never recover from.

Yep, Matt peaked in the minors.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

So you really think Odor is better than Martin.   You have to consider who we are comparing here.  Even if it Owings.  The bar ain't that high.

And as far as Adley is concerned the whole purpose of the minor league rehab is to get his bat going.  0-6  does not scream I'm hot.   Not say he will not be ready soon. Just that he is expected to breeze through AAA because of what he did last year.    .000 is not breezing.   When he start hitting he probably get promoted IMO.

Lol.  Just stop.  Adley could go 0-20 and he should still be up here immediately.  You have absolutely zero knowledge of any of his at bats, how he has looked, if there have been bad calls, rockets hit at people etc…And no, the purpose of a rehab is to get your timing back and that’s basically there.

As for Martin, I think it’s very possible that he would be one of, if not the worst player in all of MLB.  So yes, he definitely could be worse than anyone on the team.

I don’t really care if they cut Owings for him but people acting like that’s some better positive and the team is much better off for it are delusional at best.

[Matt Bennett]

16 hours ago, wildcard said:

This whole thread almost completely ignores the most pressing need the O's have.  Replacing Odor at 2B.   

I say almost because there was some discussion about putting Urias at 2B.   But there is one thing about Urias.   He is probably at least a 20 error per year infielder no matter where he is played.  2B/SS/3B.   He probably will hit which helps his case but he is not great  defensively anywhere.   I like Urias.  I believe he belongs on the team.   And I am sure Hyde will find spots to play him because Hyde loves moving players around.

Martin is sure handed.  He is not going to make many errors.  Has decent range at SS/2B.  Not Mateo range but decent.  And now he is hitting at AAA.   Good offense and defense could make him a good replacement at 2B.   He has been rated 60 arm, 60 field, 55 run.   That's better than any infielder on the O's but Mateo.   Do I know Martin is going to hit.  Nope.  But he deserves a chance because what he is currently doing at AAA shows development.

Martin's 2019 stats should not be a decision maker.  He has asked to make a jump from AA and he was not ready for the majors.   He was injured in 2020 and 2021.   Why was he DFA last November?  He broke his wrist twice in 2021.   No wonder he passed through waivers.

SG wants to promote Gunnar now.  Stop messing around and bring him up.  Well guess what.  That is not going to happen now.  Not without playing at AAA.  That is  a Elias non-starter.   Maybe if he keeps doing it in AAA he gets the call in August.  But not in May.  And that is what we talking about.

I love watching Mateo play.  Great arm and great range.  Great speed.    I don't know who plays SS when Gunnar is ready.  Gunnar will out hit Mateo but Gunnar can also play 3B.  There is time to figure that out.  Its not something that has be be solved today.

Most the thread is talking about getting rid of Owings.  It a popular topic on the OH. But not so much with Hyde/Elias.   They like that he can play anywhere but catcher and pitcher.   And really he is not the one that needs to be replaced.  Its Odor.  

I can see a mix of Martin, Urias and Nevin at 2B/3B.   Owings as a utility player.

I have explained why Martin should get a promotion.  It will not be enough for several of you.  But I think it could happen.  Martin up,  Odor DFA'd.

 

You may be mis-remembering Martin’s defensive prowess. He made 6 errors in 37 games last year. That’s 26 extrapolated to a full season. I recall him butchering easy plays and looking lost at the plate. 

Maybe he’s gotten better. Odor sucks. Owings sucks. Martin has sucked and probably still sucks. It’s pretty impressive to rack up a -1.0 WAR in 1 month. He has a LONG way to go to even be replacement level. Pretty indifferent on which “never was” or “has been” should be riding our bench. Martin’s younger (actually less than a year younger than Odor) so why not. 

[wildcard]

31 minutes ago, Matt Bennett said:

You may be mis-remembering Martin’s defensive prowess. He made 6 errors in 37 games last year. That’s 26 extrapolated to a full season. I recall him butchering easy plays and looking lost at the plate. 

Maybe he’s gotten better. Odor sucks. Owings sucks. Martin has sucked and probably still sucks. It’s pretty impressive to rack up a -1.0 WAR in 1 month. He has a LONG way to go to even be replacement level. Pretty indifferent on which “never was” or “has been” should be riding our bench. Martin’s younger (actually less than a year younger than Odor) so why not. 

Martin broke his wrist twice last year.  He was not fully healthy last year.  I don't know whether that contributed to his defensive problems  last year.    He has been rated as a 60 arm, 60 field.  And that sounds like the way he is playing now.   I have been watching of MILB.TV and he looks pretty good to me.

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

Martin was broke his wrist twice last year.  He was not fully healthy last year.  I don't know whether the contributed to his defensive problems  last year.    He has been rated as a 60 arm, 60 field.  And that sounds like the way he is playing now.   I have been watching of MILB.TV and he looks pretty good to me.

His defense also was unimpressive in 2019 when we got a very good look at him.  His reputation was much better than that and I was very disappointed.   I still hold out some hope that he’s a better defender than he’s showed to date.   

[wildcard]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

His defense also was unimpressive in 2019 when we got a very good look at him.  His reputation was much better than that and I was very disappointed.   I still hold out some hope that he’s a better defender than he’s showed to date.   

I fully agree that Martin was not ready for the majors offensive or defensively in 2019 as he tried to make the jump from AA.   But that was two plus seasons ago.    I think he should get another shot at the majors.  He is probably better than Odor.

[Sports Guy]

16 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I fully agree that Martin was not ready for the majors offensive or defensively in 2019 as he tried to make the jump from AA.   But that was two plus seasons ago.    I think he should get another shot at the majors.  He is probably better than Odor.

Why should he get another shot?  What about his MiL or Ml history says he deserves another shot?  
 

If he was a 5th round pick, would you be clamoring for him?