Any interest in Josh Bell?

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34 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

That said I am not a huge fan of full time DH's, especially when you have a C who can DH for free, plus a bunch of prospects who need to find AB's (Stowers and Vavra, plus possibly Norby and Cowser sooner rather than later). 

That's why you trust your scouts to determine which of those prospects are untouchable and you trade the rest for proven ML talent. The O's have a great farm system but there isn't an instant impact middle of the order power bat there. Mayo/Kjerstad are possibilities but they are far from sure things and they aren't big league ready anyway.  

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What's odd is in 2021 his OAA at 1B was 4 and that was tied for 4th best among 1B.

[Tony-OH]

If they could get him on a 2 year reasonable contract I'd say yes. He would be a great replacement for Mountcastle if they move him in a deal where he right-hander power will play better.

Bell without shifts as RHB: .365 WOBA
Bell with Shifts as RHB: .287 WOBA

Surprisingly his stats weren't significantly different batting left-handed without shifts.

Either way, he gets on base at a decent clip.

Now why only two years? His avg EV dropped 3.6 MPH (88.9 from 92.5 in 2021) last year and most significant offensive stats trended down. He'll play at 30 years old and doesn't bring much defensive value at 1B though he's not awful. Add is that he's slow, and we are talking about a guy that is probably on the decline unless there's an injury reason why his EV dropped so much. 

I would not go over two years and I like him more if the Orioles use Mountcastle in a package for a starter.

I also would not want him to be just a DH since Rutschman needs PAs there when not catching. So basically I'd want him as a replacement for Mountcastle if they move him.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

If they could get him on a 2 year reasonable contract I'd say yes. He would be a great replacement for Mountcastle if they move him in a deal where he right-hander power will play better.

Bell without shifts as RHB: .365 WOBA
Bell with Shifts as RHB: .287 WOBA

Surprisingly his stats weren't significantly different batting left-handed without shifts.

Either way, he gets on base at a decent clip.

Now why only two years? His avg EV dropped 3.6 MPH (88.9 from 92.5 in 2021) last year and most significant offensive stats trended down. He'll play at 30 years old and doesn't bring much defensive value at 1B though he's not awful. Add is that he's slow, and we are talking about a guy that is probably on the decline unless there's an injury reason why his EV dropped so much. 

I would not go over two years and I like him more if the Orioles use Mountcastle in a package for a starter.

Would think Santander or Mounty has to be dealt.

[RZNJ]

17 minutes ago, interloper said:

I think Bell could be the full time DH, part-time 1B. Rotate Bell, Santander, Mountcastle, Adley in the DH spot here and there. Plenty of ABs for all those guys. 

No thanks.   I'm not looking to put a softball team together.

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2 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

No thanks.   I'm not looking to put a softball team together.

You don't think there's room for a starting DH on the team? Or are you figuring someone else is going to be manning RF over Santander?

[Tony-OH]

17 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Would think Santander or Mounty has to be dealt.

I don't really want a DH since Rutschman will need PAs there and other plays can rotate there. So yeah, I think he would be a good choice to replace Mountcastle if he's traded. 

I would not sign him without knowing what is going on with Mountcastle.

[RZNJ]

Just now, interloper said:

You don't think there's room for a starting DH on the team? Or are you figuring someone else is going to be manning RF over Santander?

We have Hays, Mullins, Santander, and Moutcastle.    Adley figures to get about 40 starts at DH.   Where does that leave Stowers?   

I don't see any need for Bell unless Mountcastle is moved and he becomes the full time 1B.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

I don't really want a DH since Rutschman will need PAs there and other plays can rotate there. So yeah, I think he would be a good choice to replace Mountcastle if he's traded. 

I would not sign him without knowing what is going on with Mountcastle.

Rutschman isn’t going to get much time at DH.  There will be enough at bats.  Mounty gets day off, etc…

[Sports Guy]

Just now, RZNJ said:

We have Hays, Mullins, Santander, and Moutcastle.    Adley figures to get about 40 starts at DH.   Where does that leave Stowers?   

I don't see any need for Bell unless Mountcastle is moved and he becomes the full time 1B.

40 starts at DH?  Unless he’s hurt, no way he gets that many.

[RZNJ]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

40 starts at DH?  Unless he’s hurt, no way he gets that many.

He's catching more than 120 games?

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

He's catching more than 120 games?

No but he’s not playing 160 games either.  

 

[interloper]

3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

We have Hays, Mullins, Santander, and Moutcastle.    Adley figures to get about 40 starts at DH.   Where does that leave Stowers?   

I don't see any need for Bell unless Mountcastle is moved and he becomes the full time 1B.

I like Stowers, but he's not factoring into any of my off-season decisions. He's not a big enough prospect and didn't prove enough to have that kind of pull yet. So I just kind of worry about him later, hopefully he makes an impact one way or another. 

Is Bell at 1B, Santander at DH, Stowers at RF (Mountcastle trade)

better than

Bell at DH, Santander at RF, Mounty at 1B (Stowers 4th OF)? 

 

[RZNJ]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

No but he’s not playing 160 games either.  

 

Ok.  Let's say he DH's 30 games.   Fair enough?   He DH'd 23 last year.

[Sports Guy]

Just now, RZNJ said:

Ok.  Let's say he DH's 30 games.   Fair enough?   He DH'd 23 last year.

I think he catches 115-125 games and DHs 25-30 games.

Figure he gets 10-15 games completely off.