When rosters expand who do we call up???

[CaptainRedbeard]

4 minutes ago, TopGunnar said:

I’m sorry but Why is Austin Voth even an option. Did people forget how bad he was for us basically every time he pitched. 

He was a lot better last year, but agreed he was horrible this year. However, we don’t know how the Orioles view him or how much they think his injury was affecting him. Voth has some really excellent spin rates (75th percentile fastball and 94th percentile curve) and we know the Orioles like that. He was a textbook example of one of their waiver claim success stories last season.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Orioles more reluctant to jettison Voth than you might expect looking at his performance this year. But they could easily DFA him when his rehab stint ends and that’s perhaps still the most likely scenario.

[CallMeBrooksie]

10 minutes ago, TopGunnar said:

I’m sorry but Why is Austin Voth even an option. Did people forget how bad he was for us basically every time he pitched. 

It doesn't look great for him right now but he was really solid over 17 starts last season. Injuries happen and suddenly you could really use a Voth-type down the stretch. It's likely that Voth's performance issues were in large part impacted by his elbow discomfort. If he's gotten that under control, he could be an option again.

A not-insignificant number of folks wanted to dump Mountcastle as well after his poor first half.

[glenn__davis]

14 minutes ago, TopGunnar said:

I’m sorry but Why is Austin Voth even an option. Did people forget how bad he was for us basically every time he pitched. 

I agree but he doesn't have options and the team does seem to have knack for having these guys work on things in the minors and come up an contribute.  I wouldn't bat an eye if they just release him but they've earned the benefit of the doubt on some of these things.

[CaptainRedbeard]

Bowie’s last game is Sept 17 and Norfolk plays until Sept 24, plus playoffs. 

I expect that Holliday is going to get promoted to Norfolk for at least the extra week + playoffs. If Ortiz is not called up on Sept 1, he could be when Holliday moves up to AAA. 

I believe that would also cause Ortiz to retain his ROY eligibility for next year, which he would lose if called up Sept 1. So we may see a third catcher as the extra position player for a couple weeks, then Ortiz replaces them when Holliday moves to AAA. 

I think our best lineup vs. LHP includes Ortiz and with the extra position players on the playoff roster, he should be one of them (and they can keep Mateo on the bench for pinch running). 

[LookinUp]

If I remember from last year, the 9/1 cutoff is a very soft cutoff for playoff rosters. There are other ways to make sure guys are eligible, so there may not be the moves we're expecting on 9/1. It could be as simple as making sure we don't lose a guy like Voth. 

[MCO'sFan]

1 hour ago, CaptainRedbeard said:

They can add 2 players but can only have a max of 14 pitchers. So adding only one pitcher to the usual 13. 

Kremer is close to a lock but he has options and is already approaching career high workloads. It depends on that and if they view Kremer as part of the playoff rotation or bullpen (I don’t), if they want to be adding Means and potentially Wells into the rotation, and how Kremer and Irvin pitch down the stretch. 

I believe Kremer is an absolute lock for the playoffs. If he isn't starting ( and I don't think he will) he will be the long man used for insurance against an early game injury or bad performance. Starters get quick hooks in the playoffs so you need a long guy. I think he is the best option for that. I also would be surprised if Gibson is left off the roster. 

[CaptainRedbeard]

2 hours ago, MCO'sFan said:

I believe Kremer is an absolute lock for the playoffs. If he isn't starting ( and I don't think he will) he will be the long man used for insurance against an early game injury or bad performance. Starters get quick hooks in the playoffs so you need a long guy. I think he is the best option for that. I also would be surprised if Gibson is left off the roster. 

I think they’ll have one SP in the playoff bullpen for the reason you said, but they won’t necessarily have two. If Means is back to pre-injury Means, Kremer is probably sixth on the SP depth chart and won’t be needed. 

Say the playoff rotation is Bradish, Grayson, Flaherty and Means and they have Gibson in the pen. Or Gibson is in the rotation and one of the four others is in the pen instead. Do they need Kremer in the pen as well?

I also wouldn’t count out Irvin from being the playoff “long man” given he has experience coming into the middle of games this year and is LHP, with all the other SP besides Means being RHP. Most importantly, he’s also been pitching as well as any of them lately.

The playoff roster will have 11-12 pitchers and I think Kremer is currently on the outside looking in at that group. Which means he could end up optioned at some point in September if they think his workload and the effectiveness of the other SP warrants that. His best option of making the playoff roster may be if they think he’ll be more effective as a 1-2 IP reliever than their other RP options if converted to that role, which could be the case (and he’d perhaps be better than Baumann at that) but that would be a bit unexpected. 

[Billy F-Face3]

There's no way Kremer is left off the roster. Not a snowball's chance. His ERA may not reflect it, but he's been a very steady force in the rotation and has been able to get both himself, and the team, out of jams. 

Last season he was the only pitcher who managed to pitch a complete game shutout. That shows the resiliency he has and how much Brandon Hyde believes in him.

Kremer will be on the roster.

[Billy F-Face3]

Also Coulombe will be ready in a matter of days. He's getting 1 rehab game and if it goes well then he's joining the team. They aren't going to waste bullets on him making a month's worth of rehav games.

[waroriole]

4 hours ago, CallMeBrooksie said:

It doesn't look great for him right now but he was really solid over 17 starts last season. Injuries happen and suddenly you could really use a Voth-type down the stretch. It's likely that Voth's performance issues were in large part impacted by his elbow discomfort. If he's gotten that under control, he could be an option again.

A not-insignificant number of folks wanted to dump Mountcastle as well after his poor first half.

Literally nobody wanted to dump Mountcastle. There were people saying don’t call him up until he starts hitting at Norfolk. 

[CallMeBrooksie]

4 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Literally nobody wanted to dump Mountcastle. There were people saying don’t call him up until he starts hitting at Norfolk. 

In the first few pages of the "Mountcastle back, Zimmerman down" thread alone, there were multiple people who wanted to dump him in a trade (one user said he'd accept an average 17 year old Dominican prospect...not going to quote them here, but it's all there for you to see), multiple people called him washed up, others were beside themselves in general to the news that the O's would burn a roster spot on RM.

But that's "literally nobody" I guess.

Even if you take the most generous interpretation of their venting, so what? It doesn't change or detract from my argument in any way that a decent amount of folks here had given up on him due to his poor first half.

 

[MCO'sFan]

1 hour ago, CaptainRedbeard said:

I think they’ll have one SP in the playoff bullpen for the reason you said, but they won’t necessarily have two. If Means is back to pre-injury Means, Kremer is probably sixth on the SP depth chart and won’t be needed. 

Say the playoff rotation is Bradish, Grayson, Flaherty and Means and they have Gibson in the pen. Or Gibson is in the rotation and one of the four others is in the pen instead. Do they need Kremer in the pen as well?

I also wouldn’t count out Irvin from being the playoff “long man” given he has experience coming into the middle of games this year and is LHP, with all the other SP besides Means being RHP. Most importantly, he’s also been pitching as well as any of them lately.

The playoff roster will have 11-12 pitchers and I think Kremer is currently on the outside looking in at that group. Which means he could end up optioned at some point in September if they think his workload and the effectiveness of the other SP warrants that. His best option of making the playoff roster may be if they think he’ll be more effective as a 1-2 IP reliever than their other RP options if converted to that role, which could be the case (and he’d perhaps be better than Baumann at that) but that would be a bit unexpected. 

Your points are valid and you certainly may be correct. I happen to disagree. I think Kremer is a lock to be on the playoff roster. I would prefer him over Gibson. I don't think Gibson is a lock anymore because they have Flaherty on the staff. Gibson would be a lock if he were the only "veteran".  I don't see them keeping Irvin over Kremer. I could see them keeping Irvin over Gibson. Time will tell and I am just excited to be having conversations about the playoffs!

[accinfo]

1 minute ago, MCO'sFan said:

Your points are valid and you certainly may be correct. I happen to disagree. I think Kremer is a lock to be on the playoff roster. I would prefer him over Gibson. I don't think Gibson is a lock anymore because they have Flaherty on the staff. Gibson would be a lock if he were the only "veteran".  I don't see them keeping Irvin over Kremer. I could see them keeping Irvin over Gibson. Time will tell and I am just excited to be having conversations about the playoffs!

I can see Irvin being slotted ahead of Gibson at this point.  Irvin won’t run out of innings capacity and has been a more effective starter lately.

[MurphDogg]

I hope that they will stick with a 13-man pitching staff most days and use the AAA carousel to keep guys fresh.

In the past, the AAA season ended in early September, it now goes until September 24th (and the Tides will be in the playoffs, so they will play until the 27th or 28th).

[Sanity Check]

It will also be interesting to see who stays at Norfolk for their playoffs, and then who comes up when those are over.