Jump to content

Tim Kurkjian on 105.7

sportsfan8703

By sportsfan8703
in Orioles Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

SteveA Hangout Grand Counsel

SteveA

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Couldn’t we just give Woodruff a 1 year deal for $4 million and if he looks good in August/September give him a QO?  Why guarantee him the 2nd year, unless that’s what he wants. The general consensus here is that he’s out all year in 2024. Kurkjian was the first I heard that said August was even possible. 

Sure we could.   If $4 million is the best that any team offers, he would take it.

I am doubtful that there won't be a team out there that offers more.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

Frobby

Posted
Posted
16 minutes ago, SteveA said:

Sure we could.   If $4 million is the best that any team offers, he would take it.

I am doubtful that there won't be a team out there that offers more.

I wouldn’t take that if I were him.  Getting a QO slapped on him would significantly dampen the market for him next offseason.   

  • Upvote 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
Posted (edited)

Woodruff's problem is a shoulder.   That is much tougher to come back from than an elbow.  Tougher to be as good as he was IMO.

"This is a major procedure and capsule injuries in particular are worrisome. Many pitchers who have their capsule repaired returned as lesser versions of themselves. John Danks, Rich Harden, Mark Prior, and Johan Santana had their careers derailed by capsule surgery. That said, Julio Urías returned healthy and effective following his capsule surgery in July 2017."

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/brandon-woodruff-injury-brewers-ace-undergoes-shoulder-surgery-likely-to-miss-all-of-2024-season/

 

Edited by wildcard
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Sports Guy Hangout Grand Counsel

Sports Guy

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Woodruff's problem is a shoulder.   That is much tougher to come back from than an elbow.  Tougher to be as good as he was IMO.

"This is a major procedure and capsule injuries in particular are worrisome. Many pitchers who have their capsule repaired returned as lesser versions of themselves. John Danks, Rich Harden, Mark Prior, and Johan Santana had their careers derailed by capsule surgery. That said, Julio Urías returned healthy and effective following his capsule surgery in July 2017."

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/brandon-woodruff-injury-brewers-ace-undergoes-shoulder-surgery-likely-to-miss-all-of-2024-season/

 

That’s why you give him 2-3M for this year and 2025 is an incentive laden deal.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
sportsfan8703 Hangout Grand Counsel

sportsfan8703

Posted
  • Author
Posted
49 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Woodruff's problem is a shoulder.   That is much tougher to come back from than an elbow.  Tougher to be as good as he was IMO.

"This is a major procedure and capsule injuries in particular are worrisome. Many pitchers who have their capsule repaired returned as lesser versions of themselves. John Danks, Rich Harden, Mark Prior, and Johan Santana had their careers derailed by capsule surgery. That said, Julio Urías returned healthy and effective following his capsule surgery in July 2017."

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/brandon-woodruff-injury-brewers-ace-undergoes-shoulder-surgery-likely-to-miss-all-of-2024-season/

 

We did give Johan Santana 1 yr $3 million in 2014 coming off the same surgery. I’m not sure if Santana had been out longer, or had more recovery time. Santana had a line go off his leg and tear he Achilles tendon in a rehab start. 

The Woodruff idea fits a little more now that Burnes is on the team. Maybe he takes a deal with us because of Burnes’ recommendation. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Snutchy All-Star

Snutchy

Posted
Posted
4 hours ago, scbalt52 said:

Love Tim. Ran into him in Cooperstown when Cal was being inducted. The power went off in the town and there was a pizza place with gas grill serving everyone. He was in line with us. He's as short as rumored but very nice. Talked to us for a few minutes.

I’ve been to Sal’s Pizza and it was great. I’m not sure if they’re gas fired ovens or not, but it’s a small town so maybe it was the same place. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Yardball85 Hangout Veteran Council

Yardball85

Posted
Posted
4 hours ago, Brooks The Great said:

I love Tim. I met him at Dempsey's (now called Superbook) after the Orioles lost Game 1 of the 2014 ALCS to the Royals. I mentioned that I was doing some sports writing at the time, and asked him if he would be willing to do an interview with me about the Orioles during the offseason. He graciously agreed and gave me his contact info. The transcribed interview was published by Tony here on Orioles Hangout, although the article may no longer be up. Tim Kirkjian is pure class.

Agreed. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
yark14 Major Leaguer Rising Star

yark14

Posted
Posted
4 hours ago, btdart20 said:

Elias is a portfolio style investor.  Each investment has a role to play.  To get to the point, he’s got the IP risk metric covered for 2024.  If he wants to chase a yield, he can add risk.

But Woodruff feels like a 2025 investment play.  So the efficient frontier (risk/return) shifts around a bit with different time horizons in the rotation (no Burnes or Means).

Speak in English, please.

  • Upvote 1
  • Haha 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
btdart20 Hangout Veteran Council

btdart20

Posted
Posted
15 minutes ago, yark14 said:

Speak in English, please.

Elias likes to deal with the risk of unstable floors before addressing the ceiling. 

I think Elias is comfortable with the IP coverage featuring ML-caliber arms for the 2024 season.  Signing Woodruff is a pure upside play for 2024 if the team is willing to risk losing 100% of the salary.  It could also add an SP who's much better than Means/Kremer as the #4.

For 2025, no Burnes and no Means.  So, there's quite a few IPs that need to be stabilized before adding a risky asset like Woodruff.

 

A 1-year deal for $X is probably best for the O's with a no QO guarantee is what I'd do.  (I stink at the $ guessing, but that's the idea.)

 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
yark14 Major Leaguer Rising Star

yark14

Posted
Posted (edited)
On 2/9/2024 at 4:41 PM, btdart20 said:

Elias likes to deal with the risk of unstable floors before addressing the ceiling. 

 

I didn't know Elias is both a construction engineer and stock broker.  Truly a renaissance man.

(Meanwhile, I had to look up how to spell renaissance)

Edited by yark14
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Posts

    • Tony-OH
      O's @ Yankees Series, June 18-20 (Tues-Thurs)

      By Tony-OH · Posted

      Baseball is a funny game sometimes, but you're right, we are going to battle with starters that were not even projected for the opening day rotation. Yet, here we are. Obviously anytime we have a series against the Yankees it's big, but even if we lose 2 of 3, we'd only be 2.5 games back.  The loss of Coulombe is huge and that bothers me more than the starters honestly. Perez, Akin, Baker and Tate filling key roles if Cano or Kimbrel is not available does not make me feel great. Baker threw the ball in his debut back and has been throwing well in AAA for a bit, so maybe he's a little bit of lightning in a bottle that this team needs in the pen.   
    • Tony-OH
      Kyle Stowers 2024

      By Tony-OH · Posted

      Count me in, but the Orioles have never really subscribed to that theory of splitting time like that. They really put an emphasis on everyday players and bench players with everyday players rarely getting days off.
    • Bahama O's Fan
      Kyle Stowers 2024

      By Bahama O's Fan · Posted

      I agree with this. I just feel like he hasn't been given a fair shot in two seasons up here. I can't see any reason that he can't start 4 games out of 7. Give Hays, Mullins, Santander and Cowser each one day off a week and let him start. 
    • wildcard
      O's back to a 5 man rotation

      By wildcard · Posted

      This is probably obvious to many but I have not seen it talked about. With Bradish going on the IL and the recall of reliever Vespi they are now in a 5 man rotation.    Burnes, GRod, Irvin, Suarez and Povich.    And an 8 man pen. It was hoped that Kremer would join the rotation but his short 3 2/3 innings in Sunday's start at Norfolk probably means he gets another start in Norfolk on Friday.    If he does well at that point he could join the O's on June 26th.    Until then the O's are likely to continue with a 5 man rotation IMO.   Even if Kremer joins the rotation in June the O's probably go back to a 5 man rotation in July because of the number of off days in July.
    • maybenxtyr
      Cease vs everyone else

      By maybenxtyr · Posted

      Some may feel that way, but I'm wishing that they would have landed them both. Even before the injuries the starting pitching was going to be a little light next season... it's possibly going to be brutal now. Either way, I'm going to enjoy 24 before worrying about next season.
    • Tony-OH
      Cease vs everyone else

      By Tony-OH · Posted

      That barrel% regression is really surprising. I haven't looked into his repertoire or to see if there is some difference in how he's pitching, but that's a crazy drop off.  I wanted him and was willing to give up Westburg for him before the Burnes trade. I'm glad I'm not the Orioles GM now! lol Saying that, I do think the Orioles may have gotten a bit better out of him. Plus, out of those last seven starts, he's really only pitched poorly twice including the last game where he allowed seven runs to balloon his ERA.  With all the injuries we've head, I still wouldn't be upset with him in the rotation now. But if Suarez can keep it up and start getting through 6 more often, he's basically what we had hoped Cease would have been for us.
    • Tony-OH
      Kyle Stowers 2024

      By Tony-OH · Posted

      You've never really been a Stowers guy and have always put a huge emphasis on K-BB ratio. While I agree that K-BB ratio can be important, I believe you had misgivings with Mountcastle as he moved up the chain for the same reason. Stowers is always going to have a lot of miss, but he's not getting much regular playing time and pinch-hitting against relievers is not normally a time to work pitchers so I'm not surprised he's been more aggressive. I still think if Stowers was given 500 PAs he's going to hit 25-30 bombs and put up an OPS north of .780. And I think he's improved his defense enough that I would feel ok with him in LF in Camden Yards.

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...