Jackson Holliday 2024

[The Goob]

Ok several of you want to compare JH to Gunnar.  I am happy to do so:

• JH is 20 years old and has a .909 OPS at AAA after putting up a .941 OPS as a 19 year old at four levels.
• As a 20 year old Gunnar had a .826 OPS across three levels, .944 at A, .775 at A+ and .561 at AA (5 games)
• Even at 21 Gunnar went back to AA for almost half a season and his OPS at AA was .894

I am not saying JH will be as good as Gunnar but people saying we should trade for some pitcher we could have for a year or two have lost touch with common sense.

[Hallas]

28 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

In lots of sports age 20 is starting to be old as they have already reached their peaks.  Baseball and the other majors are different obviously.  Especially I would say baseball as baseball requires a lot of mental IQ, experience and hand/eye coordination that only comes through repetition.  Things like hitting a baseball coming at you at 90 mph or moving all over the place for example.    It ain't easy. 

??? The only sports where people peak younger than 20 is stuff like womens gymnastics and figure skating, where women have to delay puberty in order to maintain a body type ideal for the sport.  Nearly every other sport's athletes  peak between 22-27.

Edited Wednesday at 20:56 by Hallas

[ledzepp8]

30 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

See, you just can't help yourself.  You gotta get personal haha.  Never fails.  I see that a lot on internet message boards and to me it is always a sign of weakness and/or they have no argument. 

 

Be better. 

Perhaps people shouldn't get personal with you, but you do bring it on yourself. You say outlandish things, presumably to troll, get called on them and then double, triple, quadruple, etc down until people take shots at you.

[Hallas]

2 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

How much better could our hitters be when they introduce the robo ump?  

I think they are trying to tune the robo ump to more closely match the called MLB zone.  The AAA robo ump zone isn't 100% accurate to the rulebook zone, and while the called MLB zone isn't either, it's quite a bit closer.  Specifically balls fading out of the zone are more likely to be adjudged balls by the robo-ump because they're only checking pitch location on a plane at the midpoint of home plate, so for example, a curveball that clips the front of the zone, then drops below it when crossing the midpoint of home plate, would be called a ball by the current robo-ump, but is a strike by the rulebook.

[Hallas]

11 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

I had seen highlights of JH play before but never complete games until he came to Bmore.

I saw enough. 

I wonder what your scouting report of Bobby Witt Jr was in 2022.

[banks703]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

But they weren’t all once in a generation players.  You don’t need to be an Uber elite athlete to be an elite baseball player. There are tons of examples of this that prove that to be true.

The other side to that is we have seen tons of incredible athletes that just mediocre performers…including a guy like Mateo right now.

Jeffrey Hammonds was another Uber athlete who didn’t accomplish a ton. 
 

Darnell McDonald was an athlete first guy who never developed.

Pablo Sandoval was pretty good for a five or six year stretch. Prince Fielder was a fat slob as was his dad. John Kruk was not  remotely athletic and had a good career. Surprisingly, Andruw Jones was not what I would consider an elite athlete but is probably the best defensive centerfielder of the last 30 years. No, being an elite athlete is not required to be a good baseball player. 

[Sports Guy]

Just now, banks703 said:

Pablo Sandoval was pretty good for a five or six year stretch. Prince Fielder was a fat slob as was his dad. John Kruk was not  remotely athletic and had a good career. Surprisingly, Andruw Jones was not what I would consider an elite athlete but is probably the best defensive centerfielder of the last 30 years. No, being an elite athlete is not required to be a good baseball player. 

Yep.  Now, I do agree with Tony talking about the twitchiness but that is also more important in football and basketball than it is baseball.

A guy who was a great athlete was Chris Davis.  I didn’t want to re-sign him but honestly, I never would have thought he would drop off like he did considering how great a shape he was in, how well he moved and just how athletic he was. He didn’t have that body that said, you will burn out fast.

It’s not about that in baseball.  Obviously, if you can be an amazing athlete and great at baseball things, like Gunnar, it puts you on a different level than basically everyone else..:but you don’t have to be that great athlete to be a great player. 
 

And btw, even the guys we look at and say they lack athleticism, are still amazing athletes once they get to the highest levels. You can be some sloth like turd and become a pro athelte.

[Moose Milligan]

23 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

No.  My entire point in all of this is I, as imo, do not think that JH will ever live up to his 1 and 1 status and the hype machine that came with it. 

I could be totally wrong.  I REALLY HOPE I am wrong.

But, if Elias has any of even an inkling of that same thought process?  I think you need to look long and hard at getting a boatload for him in a trade while his status is still way up there.     Get it while the gettin' is hot. 

Personally I would do it and only because his hype balloon got so inflated that it almost has to pop or deflate somewhat.  And again, I don't see elite in him.  

OTOH when I saw Gunnar, who was hyped but not anywhere near the same as JH, I said this guy has 'it'.  Do not under any circumstances ever trade this guy and sign him long term ASAP. 

If he doesn’t struggle in the MLB earlier this year…is never called up, still in the minors, do you think you’d still feel the same?

[Bemorewins]

38 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

See, you just can't help yourself.  You gotta get personal haha.  Never fails.  I see that a lot on internet message boards and to me it is always a sign of weakness and/or they have no argument. 

 

Be better. 

I guess your goal is to "Agitate, agitate, agitate"? If it gives you satisfaction to try to annoy people while saying 'look at me." Good luck with that! I feel sorry for you dude.

I have showed a lot of restraint as it relates to you. But I stand on what I said as fact.

I will acknowledge that I went against my better judgment in the first place by responding to you when I strongly suspected what you were trying to do.

You got me...lol But now I'm done. 

I hope that you get the attention and affirmation that you so desperately crave. There's better ways to go about it though. Good luck and God speed!

 

[SemperFi]

47 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

And you would be shocked at how many hockey players are really really good golfers.   Which makes sense as carrying around a hockey stick and having  the touch to make and take passes and shoot is very similar to golf.  All in the hands. 

Which is also why so many good hitting kids in cold weather baseball/hockey states hit LH-because they were LW's in hockey.

 

[now]

21 minutes ago, NattyO's said:

To be honest i wont know.  I know im in the absolute minority here but when the robo umps show up, im outa here.  Im barely hanging on now due to the recent rule changes the last few years.  Baseball and football has changed so much lately ive really lost interest.  I actually just cancelled Fubo just so i can save some money.  

 

Some of the changes, I grant you, seem capricious or designed to change the game in peripheral ways. But umpiring? In contrast to your experience, I'm most motivated to lose interest and tune out whenever (several times a game or even in the same at bat) the ump makes an egregious ball-strike call that is clearly wrong. Especially when it's so directly game-changing.

[now]

24 minutes ago, ledzepp8 said:

Perhaps people shouldn't get personal with you, but you do bring it on yourself. You say outlandish things, presumably to troll, get called on them and then double, triple, quadruple, etc down until people take shots at you.

Or make good use of the "ignore" list.

[SemperFi]

28 minutes ago, Hallas said:

??? The only sports where people peak younger than 20 is stuff like womens gymnastics and figure skating, where women have to delay puberty in order to maintain a body type ideal for the sport.  Nearly every other sport's athletes  peak between 22-27.

 

 

In lots of sports age 20 is starting to be old

I think his reference was to harness racing??

 

28 minutes ago, Hallas said:

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 21:17 by SemperFi

[Can_of_corn]

Twenty does seem old for a horse to still be racing.

[NattyO's]

37 minutes ago, now said:

Some of the changes, I grant you, seem capricious or designed to change the game in peripheral ways. But umpiring? In contrast to your experience, I'm most motivated to lose interest and tune out whenever (several times a game or even in the same at bat) the ump makes an egregious ball-strike call that is clearly wrong. Especially when it's so directly game-changing.

I get it, but i prefer the human element