Jackson Holliday 2024

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Of course it can.   But there are times where the minors are a better setting.  I think this has worked out well for Holliday and the Orioles.  He came up, got a lesson on what he needed to work on, went down and worked on it, and came back a better player.  That’s how it looks to me.   

Maybe this is one of those times. We don’t know because Holliday wasn’t given enough of a chance. It’s easy to say, well this worked so therefore it’s the right move. 
 

That doesn’t mean it’s the only way it would have worked.

 

 

[luismatos4prez]

.389/.476/.778 in 5 games since returning. 

Even more exciting is how hard he's hit the ball over those games. His 97.7 EV since returning is outstanding (Judge and Ohtani are leading the league at ~96 for reference).

[Bemorewins]

1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

When robo umps become a thing, Holliday will have a .400 OBP. Maybe Adley too. 

If that happens, Judge and Soto might have .500/.600 OBP?

[clapdiddy]

5 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

If that happens, Judge and Soto might have .500/.600 OBP?

Judge and Soto get the benefit of the doubt on a LOT of calls.

[eddie83]

He looks so good at the plate. Great approach.  
 

Now not to be negative but his glove has a ways to go. Just hope he puts the work in to improve. I’m sure he will.  

[Frobby]

11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Maybe this is one of those times. We don’t know because Holliday wasn’t given enough of a chance. It’s easy to say, well this worked so therefore it’s the right move. 
 

That doesn’t mean it’s the only way it would have worked.

 

 

You are right, we will never know.  However, Holliday did struggle a bit at AAA when he returned there, presumably because he was working on his swing.  I think we can assume he would have struggled more in the majors than in AAA.  Would that have cost the team some wins?   Maybe, maybe not.   Would it have taken longer to make the adjustments?   Maybe, maybe not.   I’m not going to drive myself crazy wondering about it.   I’m just going to hope Holliday keeps hitting well the rest of the season and look ahead, not backwards.   

[Tony-OH]

On 8/3/2024 at 10:29 PM, Frobby said:

Not that many people judged him off that.  I do think he looks very relaxed and instinctual this time around compared to last.    His ability to take heat up and away and stroke it with authority to LF has impressed me.  

It will stop a few people from saying that over and over because they get most of their takes off the sports opinion wasteland of "X". 

Saying that, some fans are impressionable with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude. I mean, most people were not fans of the Jimenez acquisitions and after the last two games they suddenly love him. Of course that was asking for him to be DFA'd after he struck out Mountcastle style in his first at bat.

I guess I don't understand why some people seem to either not understand some fans, and why they generalize a ridiculous take and make it seem to be more of the norm. I guess that happens in the political stream too where it's easier to make a meme off a far left/right take vs the more even keeled approach felt by most.

Holliday has obviously looked much more comfortable at the plate and this time time did not let a few outrageously bad calls to get into his head. To me right there, that was growth in a young player. 

 

[Tony-OH]

15 hours ago, Bemorewins said:

Paging Mr. @OnlyOneOriole any new thoughts, predictions, or career forecast on the "unathletic" overrated 20 year old?

This is trolling and not allowed here. You did it twice up to this point. Please stop.

[Bemorewins]

2 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

This is trolling and not allowed here. You did twice up to this point. Please stop.

My apologies.

[LookinUp]

I hate to be the guy over reacting over small sample sizes, but now I see what everyone else has been saying about Holliday. 

Before the deadline, I said I'd trade Holliday before Mayo or Basallo. Now I'm not so sure. I wasn't aware of his speed and you can see he can really hit the ball hard.

I still think the latter two can be elite for 5-6 years here, so I'm glad no trade happened involving them.

I have friends mad we didn't go all in at the deadline. My response is that Elias is still playing the long game. He's identified his studs to build around and he's sticking to that regardless of short term team needs. I'm happy about that.

[emmett16]

105,104, 97, 102, 101, 81, 105, 100, 102, 109, 99, 98, 68. 
 

Those are his EVs on balls in play since he came back up.  That’s insane. Thats an average of 98mph.  That is upper echelon elite type stuff.  
 

 

[survivedc]

2 hours ago, eddie83 said:

He looks so good at the plate. Great approach.  
 

Now not to be negative but his glove has a ways to go. Just hope he puts the work in to improve. I’m sure he will.  

I honestly think it is a confidence thing. Seems just a little bit nervous or unsure in the field. The Mountcastle dropped pop up on Saturday for instance, he had a heck of a distance to cover to get there, but he could have made the catch. Think he deferred to Mountcastle as the veteran.  
 

The dropped ball up the middle he was just rushing.

[emmett16]

48 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

I hate to be the guy over reacting over small sample sizes, but now I see what everyone else has been saying about Holliday. 

Before the deadline, I said I'd trade Holliday before Mayo or Basallo. Now I'm not so sure. I wasn't aware of his speed and you can see he can really hit the ball hard.

I still think the latter two can be elite for 5-6 years here, so I'm glad no trade happened involving them.

I have friends mad we didn't go all in at the deadline. My response is that Elias is still playing the long game. He's identified his studs to build around and he's sticking to that regardless of short term team needs. I'm happy about that.

To your first point, yes, the speed is the difference maker.  That plus the power makes him a potential superstar who has the ability to effect the game in a variety of ways.

 

To you second point, the beauty of their deadline approach was that they were able to add pitching plus two big bats (Holliday & Mayo).  They arguably got the best pitcher available.  Had they gone after a higher target (Skubal) they would have only been able to add pitching and NOT been able to add the impact bats (Holliday & Mayo).  Net net, they came out way ahead of where they'd be with Skubal in the rotation IMO. 

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

To your first point, yes, the speed is the difference maker.  That plus the power makes him a potential superstar who has the ability to effect the game in a variety of ways.

 

To you second point, the beauty of their deadline approach was that they were able to add pitching plus two big bats (Holliday & Mayo).  They arguably got the best pitcher available.  Had they gone after a higher target (Skubal) they would have only been able to add pitching and NOT been able to add the impact bats (Holliday & Mayo).  Net net, they came out way ahead of where they'd be with Skubal in the rotation IMO. 

They just failed on getting that one really solid BP arm.

Domínguez and Soto have potential and upside to do well but they are far from a sure thing. 

[btdart20]

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