What makes Basallo so untouchable?

[CP0861]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

A little young? He’s like 3 or 4 years younger than the average AA player.

He has  immense power, high end exit velo and other statcast type numbers, can stay at C (maybe not full time), cannon arm behind the plate, controllable talent that is likely easy to extend and did we mention his age?

His MiL profile is up there with HOF level guys and guys who are some of the best young players in the game right now.

Why use average player ages? I don't care about AA jobbers. In terms of highly regarded HS prospects in AA, he's not 4 years younger.

Gunnar was there at 20 (after missing a year to COVID). Holliday was there at 19. Mayo was there at 20 (after being drafted/delayed in 2020).

Each of those guys put up better numbers. And those are just Orioles.

"His MiL profile is up there with HOF level guys and guys who are some of the best young players in the game right now."

Like who?

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Rbiggs2525 said:

If I’m giving up any of the big 3 it would be for a pitcher on a HOF track like Sale was during Red Sox trade. Someone like Kirby or Gilbert would have me pause and think about it. Crochet is too new and already has one TJ. We are the perfect matches for the Mariners. 

Gilbert doesn’t have enough control for me and I’m not extending any pitcher for a dumb contract.

Kirby is a guy I would have to really think about though. He doesn’t have great K rates and doesn’t miss enough bats for me but I also get the impression he’s as safe a guy as you can find pitching wise. 

[Malike]

4 minutes ago, Rbiggs2525 said:

If I’m giving up any of the big 3 it would be for a pitcher on a HOF track like Sale was during Red Sox trade. Someone like Kirby or Gilbert would have me pause and think about it. Crochet is too new and already has one TJ. We are the perfect matches for the Mariners. 

The Mariners are looking for pitching they aren't trading any.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, CP0861 said:

Why use average player ages? I don't care about AA jobbers. In terms of highly regarded HS prospects in AA, he's not 4 years younger.

Gunnar was there at 20 (after missing a year to COVID). Holliday was there at 19. Mayo was there at 20 (after being drafted/delayed in 2020).

Each of those guys put up better numbers. And those are just Orioles.

"His MiL profile is up there with HOF level guys and guys who are some of the best young players in the game right now."

Like who?

Why use player ages?  Because those are his peers. Those are guys that are physically and mentally more mature. To dominate them at a far younger age is something you rarely see. Again, we have seen the lists on here of his stats at age 19 and how they compare to all time and current great players. 
 

Age is huge in this.

And yes, those guys were there at young ages too…and they are all special elite level talents. That’s what Elias has built. 

[Rbiggs2525]

Just now, Malike said:

The Mariners are looking for pitching they aren't trading any.

I thought it was relief help and bats. We have the bats and ML ready ones at that.

[Il BuonO]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

Adley has nothing to do with it.  I love the roster advantage of having Basallo as the back up.

No one is untouchable..just don’t see any player that is or could be on the market that I would trade him for.

Adley has nothing to do with trading Basallo to upgrade the rotation, but their future plans may factor into the decision making. I'd love to have him as the backup, but do you see him as an everyday player? Then, eventually their plans for AR will have something to do with it. Even if they plug him in as the backup his bat needs to be in the lineup if he continues progressing.

I don't like idea of trading some of their higher rated prospects either, certainly not Basallo. However, unless they make some kind of move (again, not Crochet) to solidify the rotation or Povich really exceeds his projected ceiling they're gonna need help.

[DrungoHazewood]

3 minutes ago, CP0861 said:

Why use average player ages? I don't care about AA jobbers. In terms of highly regarded HS prospects in AA, he's not 4 years younger.

Gunnar was there at 20 (after missing a year to COVID). Holliday was there at 19. Mayo was there at 20 (after being drafted/delayed in 2020).

Each of those guys put up better numbers. And those are just Orioles.

"His MiL profile is up there with HOF level guys and guys who are some of the best young players in the game right now."

Like who?

There's one player in AA who's younger than Basallo, and he's years younger than any number of other prospects at that level. 

Playing well in AA at 19 is a huge positive indicator.

[Malike]

Just now, Rbiggs2525 said:

I thought it was relief help and bats. We have the bats and ML ready ones at that.

Woo is hurt, Miller has a 6 ERA, they have 3 starters they can rely on, they aren't trading any of them. They are linked to Fedde among others.

[DrungoHazewood]

Just now, Il BuonO said:

Adley has nothing to do with trading Basallo to upgrade the rotation, but their future plans may factor into the decision making. I'd love to have him as the backup, but do you see him as an everyday player? Then, eventually their plans for AR will have something to do with it. Even if they plug him in as the backup his bat needs to be in the lineup if he continues progressing.

I don't like idea of trading some of their higher rated prospects either, certainly not Basallo. However, unless they make some kind of move (again, not Crochet) to solidify the rotation or Povich really exceeds his projected ceiling they're gonna need help.

I don't know why the plan can't be Adley catches 75% of the time, DHs most of the rest. Basallo catches 25% of the time, DHs most of the rest. Orioles get the best catching production in the Majors, and a pretty darned good DH, too.

[CP0861]

10 minutes ago, Otter said:

He's not just a "little young" for AA, he's very young for AA and especially for the fact he made it to AA last year.  He has great offensive numbers, elite power, and still has much more offensive upside.  In addition, he has a great arm and most scouting reports think he can stick at a premium position.  This makes him an elite prospect.  Whether or not he's untouchable....well, the only opinion that matters in that respect is Elias'...

Personally, I'd have to get back a #2 or #3 starter with more than one year team control to trade him.  

"He has great offensive numbers"

Does he? He's at .281/.800 OPS right now with 11 home runs and a whopping 24xbh's. That's not great. How is that elite power? Elite potential maybe, but his actual numbers this year are not elite or great.

 

[RZNJ]

9 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

His innings cap and their asking price makes it look like a "no". I definitely like the guy's stuff.

What is his innings cap?

Answer -  A totally arbitrary  number the team decides upon with Crochet and his agents approval. 

[interloper]

I don't know that he's untouchable so much as there just isn't a super logical fit on the other end of the trade. He's not a guy you trade unless you're getting multiple years of control from a #2-upside SP, and those guys kind of just don't exist this year at the deadline. 

If Miller from the A's was starting this year instead of relieving, had a cleaner injury history, and the A's actually wanted to trade him, that's the type of guy that would make sense. But all of those things aren't true, haha. 

 

Edited Monday at 15:42 by interloper

[1fingerwillie]

29 minutes ago, CP0861 said:

I know he's been mentioned repeatedly as untouchable and he's very highly regarded. I get all that.

But why exactly?

I know he's still a little young for AA, but do his numbers in the minors thus far scream untouchable?

He's a big kid - is he elite defensively behind the plate? Is he expected to put up Frank Thomas type numbers some day?

Just thinking out loud...don't kill me. But with Adley locked up for 3 years beyond this year and with Mayo looking like a nice, studly 1b option (at least imo), along with the other young bats that we have, where exactly does he fit in the next year or two?

Also, we literally have no rotation next year. GRod (the #3 to start 2024) becomes the ace with who behind him?

If Basallo is a piece that gets the Orioles an ace with years of control, how do they say no?

 

An elite bat. That simple. Mayo and Bassallo will IMO be as impactful as Adley and Gunnar. Would you have traded either of them 2-3 years ago knowing what you know now?

[Il BuonO]

2 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I don't know why the plan can't be Adley catches 75% of the time, DHs most of the rest. Basallo catches 25% of the time, DHs most of the rest. Orioles get the best catching production in the Majors, and a pretty darned good DH, too.

I'd take that. 

[Malike]

1 minute ago, CP0861 said:

"He has great offensive numbers"

Does he? He's at .281/.800 OPS right now with 11 home runs and a whopping 24xbh's. That's not great. How is that elite power? Elite potential maybe, but his actual numbers this year are not elite or great.

 

I feel like this has turned into a troll thread. If you don't think what Basallo is doing is rare and not extremely valuable, there is no changing your mind and there should be no further discussion.