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Well, with that logic, why would we want Santana if a team like the Twins, who actually WERE contending for a WS, were willing to trade him.

You really think Santana is equal value for Tejada? Find me one Twins fan who would do it? You won't. And you won't find 25% of Oriole fans who would do it if they were in the Twins' shoes either.

You think you can find 25% who think that trade should happen?

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Signing marquee players? Neither one helps because the marquee players aren't coming here. So you're not winning with Tejada because you won't be able to fill in the pieces around him. You need to get younger so that IF and when Loewen, Cabrera, Penn, etc., become good that you'll have some other young players blossoming at the same time. Not guys going into their twilight years or becoming FA's.

Tell that to the Tigers!

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I forgot. Young & prospects are a four letter words to you. Keep holding out for Johan Santana. That's not taking a risk or a gamble. That's sticking your head in the sand and hoping things will get better when you pull it out.

Sorry we disagree but we need more players like Tejada to beat Boston and NY, not suspects who can't contribute of one of baseballs most anemic offenses.

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Or getting someone fired for dealing a future hall of famer for three players who just may be average at best.

Sure there is always a risk when you trade for prospects but if you do it right the reward is superior to keeping your aging star. It's better to trade a player a year too early than a year too late. We're not winning with Tejada, it's unlikely we can add enough to win with him next year. He's getting older and will likely decline somewhat. If you can get a solid return of top notch prospects it makes zero sense not to pursue that. Of course since it makes so much sense the O's probably won't pursue it.

We should take a page out of the Marlins playbook. As we can see with them going with prospects can be a road to contention.

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Signing marquee players? Neither one helps because the marquee players aren't coming here. So you're not winning with Tejada because you won't be able to fill in the pieces around him. You need to get younger so that IF and when Loewen, Cabrera, Penn, etc., become good that you'll have some other young players blossoming at the same time. Not guys going into their twilight years or becoming FA's.
Better hope the young pitching does deliver because the team offense without Tejada will be worse.

What really amazes me is all the comments that trading Tejada will save us money which we can use elsewhere. I have no confidence in the Orioles to reallocate those funds elsewhere.

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Tell that to the Tigers!

Why do you think the Tigers are where they are today? Because of Maggs, Jones, Rogers and Ordonez or Verlander, Zumaya, Rodney, Granderson, Robertson. et al?

The Tigers highly overpaid for some FA and some have worked to an extent but they are where they are because of the young pitching.

Last offseason, there was a rumor we could have gotten Verlander(and others) for Tejada...Would you have made that deal? Woudl you make it now?

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Sure there is always a risk when you trade for prospects but if you do it right the reward is superior to keeping your aging star. It's better to trade a player a year too early than a year too late. We're not winning with Tejada, it's unlikely we can add enough to win with him next year. He's getting older and will likely decline somewhat. If you can get a solid return of top notch prospects it makes zero sense not to pursue that. Of course since it makes so much sense the O's probably won't pursue it.

We should take a page out of the Marlins playbook. As we can see with them going with prospects can be a road to contention.

You don't deal Tejada for Aybar and Kotchman. If the prospects included in the deal were the quality of Mathis and Kendrick then you make the deal. Not third level suspects who ain;t done squat.

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You don't deal Tejada for Aybar and Kotchman. If the prospects included in the deal were the quality of Mathis and Kendrick then you make the deal. Not third level suspects who ain;t done squat.

Aybar and Kotchman are every bit(and more) the prospect Mathis is.

Kotchman compares very favorably to Gonzalez and he is a great defensive first baseman.

Aybar is a Jose Reyes type player with very good upside. He is every bit the prospect Reimold is, for example.

And then let's not forget Santana or Lackey, both of whom are better than any starter we have not named Bedard and Lackey is better than Bedard(at least more proven).

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Why do you think the Tigers are where they are today? Because of Maggs, Jones, Rogers and Ordonez or Verlander, Zumaya, Rodney, Granderson, Robertson. et al?

The Tigers highly overpaid for some FA and some have worked to an extent but they are where they are because of the young pitching.

Last offseason, there was a rumor we could have gotten Verlander(and others) for Tejada...Would you have made that deal? Woudl you make it now?

Probably not. I think we're going to be stacked in the starting pitching area and have squat available the next 3 years as far as position players go. The Tigers let their young pitching develop, signed a veteran mid level starter in Rogers, and added solid veteran FA bats. Seems to be working for them.

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