What O's HOF (provided they were in their prime) would you add to the current roster?

[waroriole]

I think Matt Holliday is a better current comp for Frank. Frank's career line: .294/.389/.537; Holliday's: .313/.387/.536.

And Verlander and Palmer aren't very similar pitchers. Verlander's a power pitcher with 8.4 K/9, Palmer is at 5.0 for his career. Maybe Matt Cain? It's harder to find pitching comps since there's so much more emphasis on Ks now.

Other three comps are good, though Pujols is probably quite a bit ahead of Eddie Murray. Adrian Gonzalez might make more sense.

Of course offense was a lot tougher when Frank played.

[skanar]

Of course offense was a lot tougher when Frank played.

True; OPS+ puts Robinson ahead, 154 to 137.

I'm still impressed that the OBP and SLG are a combined .003 apart.

[olehippi]

Eddie Murray, hands down. He would fill two needs - a Gold Glove caliber 1B and a middle of the order bat.

[mdbdotcom]

I suspect that if you were to poll the players listed in the poll, Frank would be the unanimous winner. Not just for the numbers, but for the way he played the game and the way he led his teams. He turned a very good team into a champion. That's what this poll is about, right?

I wonder how many people here who didn't vote for Frank ever saw him play in his prime.

[mdbdotcom]

Here's a glimpse.

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[Malike]

Here's a glimpse.

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WTF was Adam Jones doing in that video? GD Photoshopping Youtube wizards!

[OrangeJerseys]

Cakes or Steady Eddie. I'd rather have the pitching but Eddie would look great at 1B this year.

[theobird]

Man, he's not in as an Oriole, but Roberto Alomar probably deserves to be in this poll IMO. What a difference he'd make on this team.

If we are gonna open this up to second baseman too, I'll take me some Bobby Grich.

[Can_of_corn]

I suspect that if you were to poll the players listed in the poll, Frank would be the unanimous winner. Not just for the numbers, but for the way he played the game and the way he led his teams. He turned a very good team into a champion. That's what this poll is about, right?

I wonder how many people here who didn't vote for Frank ever saw him play in his prime.

I am just trying to picture Palmer not picking himself.

Give me a minute.

[brianod]

It is absolutely comical how many people have not picked Frank Robinson. Frank is a top 10-15 player of all time. I love Cal, I love Brooks, I love Palmer. I even like the surly Eddie Murray. But, they don't hold a candle to Frank in terms of impact to a team.

[luismatos4prez]

It is absolutely comical how many people have not picked Frank Robinson. Frank is a top 10-15 player of all time. I love Cal, I love Brooks, I love Palmer. I even like the surly Eddie Murray. But, they don't hold a candle to Frank in terms of impact to a team.

He had the best career of all of them. Nobody is doubting that. But that isn't the question. Read it again.

[brianod]

He had the best career of all of them. Nobody is doubting that. But that isn't the question. Read it again.

Our current roster is totally irrelevant. Robinson ranks up their with oh, say Ruth, Bonds, Mantle, Dimaggio, Ted Williams, Gehrig. Anyone you recognize there? The others are great Orioles who don't come close to breaking the top 50 players of all time.

[brianod]

Diamond Mind is a simulation engine that normalizes for era of play, ball park and other factors. If you are interested in comparing players of different eras, I would advise you to go to their website and take a look. Very interesting. In any event, according to them, Frank is the 18th best offensive player who played at least average defensively. Since Frank was above average defensively, you could eliminate guys like Ruth, Gehrig, Ted Williams and Frank is the 9th best offensive player of all time that played above average defense. To give you an idea of what that means, Eddie Murray is the 50th best firstbaseman of all time offensively. He was slightly above average defensively but not special.

[luismatos4prez]

Our current roster is totally irrelevant. Robinson ranks up their with oh, say Ruth, Bonds, Mantle, Dimaggio, Ted Williams, Gehrig. Anyone you recognize there? The others are great Orioles who don't come close to breaking the top 50 players of all time.

That isn't what I mean. In their respective primes, I think Cal Ripken was a better overall player than Frank Robinson. Check out post #19 in this thread and tell me what you disagree with.

In any event, it definitely isn't "absolutely comical" that people disagree with your opinion. Especially when there's plenty of good arguments against Frank.

[brianod]

That isn't what I mean. In their respective primes, I think Cal Ripken was a better overall player than Frank Robinson. Check out post #19 in this thread and tell me what you disagree with.

In any event, it definitely isn't "absolutely comical" that people disagree with your opinion. Especially when there's plenty of good arguments against Frank.

No, it is absolutely comical that you can compare the impact of Cal Ripken to that of Frank Robinson. It isn't debatable. It isn't a matter of opinion. It is an absolute established fact that Frank is a top player of all time. Cal isn't. Sorry. This isn't a debatable point. Do some research and get back to me. Diamond mind has Cal as the 15th best offensive ss of all time with a runs created of 87. He played very good defense. Frank is the 9th best offensive player of all time that played very good defense at his position with a runs created of 115. Now, if you don't want to trust a company who's purpose is to study these things, fine. Find me another historical simulation company that disputes it. Otherwise, you're wasting my time.