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19 hours ago, ORIOLE33 said:

On the surface, maybe. But IMO, hitting HR’s in blowouts is the baseball equivalent to stat padding. 

I get what you mean, Chris Davis seemed to hit lots of meaningless HR with no one on late in games.  But this is simply not realistic.  You get three four at bats and you do your best with them.  Maybe pitchers simply pitch differently with say a 4 run lead and no-one on base.  In fact I am sure of it...

There is often some luck involved in stats and that is precisely the reason advanced metrics were created.  They are not perfect, but they are intended to make results more meaningful. If a player had a great year and hit .300 over 600 at bats that would be 180 hits.

Over the course of the season, some of those at bats clearly are more important than others.  But the player isn't punished for that week he went 4 for 4 in a series against Baltimore (for example) any more than he isn't adjusted for going 0-16 against the red sox.

Over the course of 600 at bats a player who hits .300 (180 hits) could raise his average to .341 if he had the identical season but added exactly one broken bat flare for a hit over each of the 25 weeks of the season.  Again, I get your point, but even Earl Weaver said, you can't run out the clock, you have to get 27 outs.  They all count.  

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54 minutes ago, ORIOLE33 said:

Lot easier and less pressure hitting HR’s when the game is out of hand and all the pitchers job is to throw strikes. Not saying he shouldn’t try to hit, but late inning HR’s in blowouts aren’t that impressive to me.

He has 5 HRs on the year.  2 of them came in the extra inning win against the Yankees, 1 of which gave the Orioles a 1-0 lead and the other of which gave them a 2-1 lead.  2 of them came in yesterday's game against Detroit, one of which came when the outcome of the game was still in question (5-2 in the 3rd inning).  His 5th came when the team was down 2-0 against the Blue Jays in the 3rd inning.

Only one of his HRs has been hit at a point where the outcome of the game was obvious, and that was his 2nd HR yesterday.   To imply that he is hitting HRs in blowouts when the game is out of reach is simply incorrect.

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1 hour ago, ORIOLE33 said:

Lot easier and less pressure hitting HR’s when the game is out of hand and all the pitchers job is to throw strikes. Not saying he shouldn’t try to hit, but late inning HR’s in blowouts aren’t that impressive to me.

Machado is really good. We're going to miss him when he's gone.

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1 hour ago, glenn__davis said:

He has 5 HRs on the year.  2 of them came in the extra inning win against the Yankees, 1 of which gave the Orioles a 1-0 lead and the other of which gave them a 2-1 lead.  2 of them came in yesterday's game against Detroit, one of which came when the outcome of the game was still in question (5-2 in the 3rd inning).  His 5th came when the team was down 2-0 against the Blue Jays in the 3rd inning.

Only one of his HRs has been hit at a point where the outcome of the game was obvious, and that was his 2nd HR yesterday.   To imply that he is hitting HRs in blowouts when the game is out of reach is simply incorrect.

Zing!     Nice research.  

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2 hours ago, ORIOLE33 said:

Lot easier and less pressure hitting HR’s when the game is out of hand and all the pitchers job is to throw strikes. Not saying he shouldn’t try to hit, but late inning HR’s in blowouts aren’t that impressive to me.

Frobby and Glenn_Davis provided the analyses/data. Machado is hitting great when it counts. 

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