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Anyone think the cubs can actually win a bidding war for Manny? 

I guess if they include Ian Happ or Baez, but they don't really have a strong farm system and they're top pitching prospect is hurt. Mike Montgomery is always rumored in deals but he's a fifth starter at best. 

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10 hours ago, Lucky_13 said:

Anyone think the cubs can actually win a bidding war for Manny? 

I guess if they include Ian Happ or Baez, but they don't really have a strong farm system and they're top pitching prospect is hurt. Mike Montgomery is always rumored in deals but he's a fifth starter at best. 

You really need to give Montgomery more credit. 3.31ERA and sub 4.00 FIP, if that's your #5 starter you've got one hell of a rotation. His numbers since having to fill in for Darvish:

4GS 23.2IP 13H 1.41ERA 3.51FIP

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10 hours ago, Yardball85 said:

I would prefer quantity over quality, but it's not so ridiculous as to facilitate a laugh in my opinion.

Devers is 21 years old and a former top 5 prospect.  The O's would be lucky to get a player that good back for Manny.  He's been struggling, but look at his age.  

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5 hours ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Devers is 21 years old and a former top 5 prospect.  The O's would be lucky to get a player that good back for Manny.  He's been struggling, but look at his age.  

How many former top 5 prospects are out there and out of baseball by 23?

Prospects are just that, prospects.

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It sounds like you are saying the failure rate of top five prospects is similar to the failure rate of guys outside the top 100.

i thought it was Frobby that crunched the numbers and researched this, and said the numbers dont change that much, as you fall down the draft line.

My apologies in advance to Frobby if I miss-quoted the wrong poster.

How many number 1s have the Orioles had, that was as talented as Manny? I can think of only one, Mussina, and I am sure some posters would disagree.

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1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

i thought it was Frobby that crunched the numbers and researched this, and said the numbers dont change that much, as you fall down the draft line.

My apologies in advance to Frobby if I miss-quoted the wrong poster.

How many number 1s have the Orioles had, that was as talented as Manny? I can think of only one, Mussina, and I am sure some posters would disagree.

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McDonald was plenty talented, he just couldn't stay healthy.  

And of course Manny was a top five pick...

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

McDonald was plenty talented, he just couldn't stay healthy.  

And of course Manny was a top five pick...

McDonald was very talented, damn College world series ruined him, in my opinion.

Even without injuries, he wasnt the Ace that Mussina was. Lord knows that I loved watching him pitch as well as Mussina.

2 of the 4 picks in the top 5 of 2008 didn't have all-star careers.

Nor will the other two end up as HOF.

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2 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

McDonald was very talented, damn College world series ruined him, in my opinion.

Even without injuries, he wasnt the Ace that Mussina was. Lord knows that I loved watching him pitch as well as Mussina.

2 of the 4 picks in the top 5 of 2008 didn't have all-star careers.

Nor will the other two end up as HOF.

And?  No one said Baseball was easy.  How many guys picked 101-105 in 2008 made the majors? ( Boy this statement could end up embarrassing)

As for the HoF, that's a ridiculous bar to set.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

And?  No one said Baseball was easy.  How many guys picked 101-105 in 2008 made the majors? ( Boy this statement could end up embarrassing)

As for the HoF, that's a ridiculous bar to set.

Is it?

You have a HOF player in Manny, so you should expect some quality in return, and not just a prospect that might be good, and might not be.

 

BTW, here is what wiki had, they skipped 104 & 105 for some reason:

Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 3rd round, 100th overall by the New York Mets

Blake Tekotte, 3rd round, 101st overall by the San Diego Padres

Vance Worley, 3rd round, 102nd overall by the Philadelphia Phillies

David Adams, 3rd round, 106th overall by the New York Yankees

More notables:

2011 Rookie of the Year Craig Kimbrel was drafted 96th overall by the Atlanta Braves in the 3rd round.

Brothers Caleb and Corban Joseph were both chosen in the 2008 draft. The New York Yankees selected Corban in the fourth round, with the 140th overall selection, out of Franklin High School in Franklin, Tennessee, while the Baltimore Orioles drafted Caleb in the seventh round, with the 206th overall selection, out of Lipscomb University.[3]

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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

And?  No one said Baseball was easy.  How many guys picked 101-105 in 2008 made the majors? ( Boy this statement could end up embarrassing)

As for the HoF, that's a ridiculous bar to set.

Seems kind of arbitrary to pick those numbers, but fine.  Looks like 2 of them played in MLB.  Blake Tekotte and Vance Worley.

If you do 201-205, you just get one player fwiw.

206 was Caleb Joseph!

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4 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Is it?

You have a HOF player in Manny, so you should expect some quality in return, and not just a prospect that might be good, and might not be.

 

BTW, here is what wiki had, they skipped 104 & 105 for some reason:

Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 3rd round, 100th overall by the New York Mets

Blake Tekotte, 3rd round, 101st overall by the San Diego Padres

Vance Worley, 3rd round, 102nd overall by the Philadelphia Phillies

David Adams, 3rd round, 106th overall by the New York Yankees

More notables:

2011 Rookie of the Year Craig Kimbrel was drafted 96th overall by the Atlanta Braves in the 3rd round.

Brothers Caleb and Corban Joseph were both chosen in the 2008 draft. The New York Yankees selected Corban in the fourth round, with the 140th overall selection, out of Franklin High School in Franklin, Tennessee, while the Baltimore Orioles drafted Caleb in the seventh round, with the 206th overall selection, out of Lipscomb University.[3]

Is it?

The average HoF class is what two players?  Maybe slightly higher?  Considering International players that are not subject to the draft it would be pretty shocking if 40% of top five prospects were inducted.

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