Just walk him

[ThomasTomasz]

6 hours ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

Cody Allen was a VERY good closer through 2017.  He had a down year in 2018, hence the relatively cheap price.  Angels were thinking he might be able to rebound.  It seems like you aren't really identifying a lack of a desire to win, rather you're using hindsight to blast calculated risks/moves that simply didn't work as hoped.

When you have a middling farm program, in a large market and an owner who has proven before he has the money to spend, and all of the sudden stops.........yes, there is a reason for it, but Moreno's checkbook is the best asset this team has to surround Trout with quality players to win a championship.  With a generational talent, they should be going all out, not signing bounceback candidates like Harvey and Allen.  

[Frobby]

On 7/26/2019 at 2:09 PM, DrungoHazewood said:

Trout could lose 50% of his value over the next five years and still be a 5-win player at 32.  Trout was an epic player at 22.  Odds are good that he'll still be an annual MVP candidate at 32, barring major injury.

You never know exactly when and how quickly a player is going to lose it.   But I think Trout’s power and strike zone judgment will allow him to hold value for a long time.    

[Frobby]

35 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

One thing we'll be able to measure is how his speed holds up. He was/is regarded as one of the fastest players in MLB.

I assume that will be one of his first skills to go.   But he has a lot of others that will last a while.  

[bobmc]

On 7/26/2019 at 8:38 AM, tntoriole said:

I had a stroke...lol.   I was even yelling at them to walk him when the bases were loaded in the fifteenth...lol.   

He's had an up and down month

 

[Can_of_corn]

Crazy he's hitting 296 with that BABIP.

[BohKnowsBmore]

On 7/26/2019 at 6:13 PM, ThomasTomasz said:

When you have a middling farm program, in a large market and an owner who has proven before he has the money to spend, and all of the sudden stops.........yes, there is a reason for it, but Moreno's checkbook is the best asset this team has to surround Trout with quality players to win a championship.  With a generational talent, they should be going all out, not signing bounceback candidates like Harvey and Allen.  

The right candidates still have to be there to sign. Making the wrong big money signings will hinder future competitiveness. Even the largest market teams have some sort of budget. 

[DrungoHazewood]

19 hours ago, RZNJ said:

One thing we'll be able to measure is how his speed holds up. He was/is regarded as one of the fastest players in MLB.

Trout isn't as fast as he was when he led the league with 49 steals at the age of 20.  But he doesn't have to be... he could lose three steps and still be the best slugging RFer in baseball.  And then he could be Stan Musial and slide down to first base and play until he's 42.

[DrungoHazewood]

17 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Crazy he's hitting 296 with that BABIP.

It's all the cheap homers.  Let's see how all that fancy talent would hold up in Braves Field in Boston in 1915, when the shortest fence distance was 402'.  The Braves hit three homers at home that year, all inside the park.  

[Frobby]

For the series: .316/.381/.632, 3 doubles, a homer and 4 RBI.    

[jabba72]

23 hours ago, Frobby said:

You never know exactly when and how quickly a player is going to lose it.   But I think Trout’s power and strike zone judgment will allow him to hold value for a long time.    

Pujols has otherwordly power and strike zone judgement, and went downhill pretty fast. Even if he is still playing.

[DrungoHazewood]

51 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

Pujols has otherwordly power and strike zone judgement, and went downhill pretty fast. Even if he is still playing.

Even as a league-average RFer Trout is going to be a win or two better than Pujols, who's been DHing as much as playing the field for the last 4-5 years.  Pujols has been worth 0.4 wins so far this year, but if he was a +0 RFer he'd be almost a two win player.  Big advantage to Trout unless his defense just collapses.

[tntoriole]

59 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

Pujols has otherwordly power and strike zone judgement, and went downhill pretty fast. Even if he is still playing.

Pujols had 4.8 WAR in his age 32 season....And had 64.1 WAR at end of age 28 seeason, compared to 70.9 for Trout and whatever he accumulates the last part if this year. 

[ChrisP]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

For the series: .316/.381/.632, 3 doubles, a homer and 4 RBI.    

So, they kept him in check. 

[OFFNY]

6 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

 

Trout isn't as fast as he was when he led the league with 49 steals at the age of 20, but he doesn't have to be ...... he could lose three steps, and still be the best slugging RFer in baseball. And then he could be Stan Musial by sliding down to first base, and play until he's 42.

 

o

 

Won't you give me 3 steps, give me 3 steps mister, give me 3 steps toward the door ........

 

o

[theocean]

2 hours ago, jabba72 said:

Pujols has otherwordly power and strike zone judgement, and went downhill pretty fast. Even if he is still playing.

He's also 65 years old.