Orioles looking to trade Means?

[Sports Guy]

If true, Mullins should also be made available.

[sportsfan8703]

I think you have to listen to offers on everyone. But yeah if we’re trading Means, we might as well trade Mullins and Sulser too. Just blatantly tank 2022, as if we weren’t anyway, but aim to 2023+. 

[Bahama O's Fan]

I can see this as a valid strategy to long term success but boy will the fans be unhappy 

[Aristotelian]

Means being arb eligible makes more sense than Mullins. I doubt either gets traded. If it happens the return better be good.

 

[sportsfan8703]

8 minutes ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

I can see this as a valid strategy to long term success but boy will the fans be unhappy 

I don’t think the front office(Elias) cares about that. If we get an offer that is better for us from 2023 on, than we should strongly consider pulling the trigger. It’s not fun to say, but 2022 is looking like another 90-100 loss team easily. Might as well load up for the long haul. 

[Sports Guy]

22 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I think you have to listen to offers on everyone. But yeah if we’re trading Means, we might as well trade Mullins and Sulser too. Just blatantly tank 2022, as if we weren’t anyway, but aim to 2023+. 

The Os aren’t tanking in 2022 and then winning in 2023.  It doesn’t work that way.

And tanking in 2022 shouldn’t even be discussed.

[sportsfan8703]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

The Os aren’t tanking in 2022 and then winning in 2023.  It doesn’t work that way.

And tanking in 2022 shouldn’t even be discussed.

I wish that were the case, but in 2022, whether we like it or not, we’re tanking. Tanking, waiting, preparing, gearing up… whatever you want to call it. At the end of the day, we’re not trying to win and not going to spend any FA bucks on the MLB team.

We’re going to fill this team out through waiver wire claims like Fox. I don’t even see us signing an innings eater like Matt Harvey. 

[JR Oriole]

The front office could always just decide that this whole "competing at the major league level" thing is just too darn hard and decide to lose 110 games every year in perpetuity while trading everybody who is remotely good before we have to pay them.  Then we can get some high level prospects who once they show flashes of talent at the major league level, can be immediately traded for more prospects.  This can be an ongoing cycle for generations and we can eventually phase out those pesky competitive fans who care about winning games.  Maybe we can get the payroll down to say $20 million per year and then when we get to annually hang the "Winner of the AL Fiscal East" banner in the flag court somewhere, the 10 remaining Oriole fans who regularly attend our home games can celebrate.  We will of course still get to see "Baltimore" in the playoffs every year.  It will just be at the very bottom of the Green Monster as a left fielder at Fenway goes to make a catch in front of the AL East standings.  

[Frobby]

I’m glad to hear they are testing the market for Means.   They should be.   I won’t be happy if they trade him without getting a very significant return back.   

[interloper]

49 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

If true, Mullins should also be made available.

Mullins isn't due for a big arb raise, has more years of control, and doesn't have injury concerns. The Os won't consider trading him unless the team is still bad as he's about to get expensive and running short on control, IMO. 

[wildcard]

Trade Means for what?  Pitching?

[Aristotelian]

41 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I don’t think the front office(Elias) cares about that. If we get an offer that is better for us from 2023 on, than we should strongly consider pulling the trigger. It’s not fun to say, but 2022 is looking like another 90-100 loss team easily. Might as well load up for the long haul. 

I do wish they had traded Mancini but maybe they just didn't get any offers. Or there was an owner veto. 

[Sports Guy]

15 minutes ago, interloper said:

Mullins isn't due for a big arb raise, has more years of control, and doesn't have injury concerns. The Os won't consider trading him unless the team is still bad as he's about to get expensive and running short on control, IMO. 

But Mullins is way more replaceable with what we have in our system and on the ML team.  Means isn’t.  So, if you are going to trade Means, you might as well trade Mullins because you are saying we aren’t winning anytime soon.

And btw, back this up with the Q&A I just posted and they are saying that.

They could deal Means and still win in 2022.  But they won’t because they don’t want to win.  Because they don’t care.  

[Finisher]

22 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Trade Means for what?  Pitching?

Maybe they'll get freakishly lucky and get another younger Means back. I mean we totally hit on young pitching prospects all the time. It isn't like we only hit on one every 7-8 years.

"Dangling for trade" implies he's gone, to me anyway.

[UMDTerrapins]

All depends on the return. But we absolutely should be gauging what kind of return he could bring. He won’t be pitching meaningful games for us until he’s in his 30’s and approaching free agency. Like Mullins, if the return is great, you have to consider it. No harm in knowing.