Who do you want? Who do we take?

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, seak05 said:

I don't think he'll have to move to LF, at least not when he's young, but it's not a non-zero chance...and the drop off from CF to LF from a def value perspective is massive, and much larger then the drop off in value from having to shift from SS to 3b. 

As an aside, his dad was no longer an good CF by 30, but he was elite in his early 20's

I don’t need him here past age 30, so I don’t really care about that.

[RZNJ]

28 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

You are the one bringing it up.  If you want to bring up being civil, don’t be a little bitch about it when I throw it back in your face.  
 

Either abide by what you are preaching or stop crying about it.

You crack me up.   The only one being a little bitch is you.  You keep crying and whining and talking like a little boy.   All I said was try acting civil but you can't.   It's like asking Jacob Berry to play SS.

[LTO's]

36 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

C being #1 is cringeworthy.

 

How? The catcher handles the ball way more than any other position by far. It wouldn't make sense for catcher to not be #1. 

[seak05]

I’ll be watching Collier on the cape. If he hits well there, he probably becomes my #1. Defensive value as a potential 3b, and he’ll have hit at a higher level at a younger age, and with wood 

[Sports Guy]

4 minutes ago, seak05 said:

I’ll be watching Collier on the cape. If he hits well there, he probably becomes my #1. Defensive value as a potential 3b, and he’ll have hit at a higher level at a younger age, and with wood 

He has become really interesting to me.  He is a full year younger than Jones and Holliday.  That means a lot.

[btdart20]

1 minute ago, seak05 said:

I’ll be watching Collier on the cape. If he hits well there, he probably becomes my #1. Defensive value as a potential 3b, and he’ll have hit at a higher level at a younger age, and with wood 

Agreed.  I'm a Jones believer, but Collier is really intriguing to me too.  Looks like Cape league has started and Collier has started playing (got a late start).

Cameron Collier - Cape Cod Baseball League - player | Pointstreak Sports Technologies

[RZNJ]

24 minutes ago, seak05 said:

I’ll be watching Collier on the cape. If he hits well there, he probably becomes my #1. Defensive value as a potential 3b, and he’ll have hit at a higher level at a younger age, and with wood 

I saw him go oppo on a double in a scrimmage on the Cape.   My biggest concern/question with Collier is power potential and ability to turn on the ball.   He's not interesting (to me) unless he has big time power potential.

[RZNJ]

30 minutes ago, seak05 said:

I’ll be watching Collier on the cape. If he hits well there, he probably becomes my #1. Defensive value as a potential 3b, and he’ll have hit at a higher level at a younger age, and with wood 

Another question.   If Collier ceiling is a good hitting 3B with some power, what advantage is there in taking him over Brooks Lee who profiles as a good hitting 3B with some power?    Brooks Lee is more of a sure thing.    I'd have to believe that Collier has a much higher ceiling in order for me to take him.

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

29 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Another question.   If Collier ceiling is a good hitting 3B with some power, what advantage is there in taking him over Brooks Lee who profiles as a good hitting 3B with some power?    Brooks Lee is more of a sure thing.    I'd have to believe that Collier has a much higher ceiling in order for me to take him.

Yep….and always a chance Lee sticks at SS

[RZNJ]

4 minutes ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

Yep….and always a chance Lee sticks at SS

Doesn't sound like much of a chance but he sounds like he'd be an above average 3B or a solid 2B.   He hit 6 homers in 88 AB's with a wood bat on the Cape last year which is always a good sign.  46 walks to 28 strikeouts this year as a junior.  Switch hitter.  Makeup is plus.    I think Jones is my #1 choice but I'm starting to feel like Brooks Lee is my #2.     The first name is a bonus!!!

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

Just now, RZNJ said:

Doesn't sound like much of a chance but he sounds like he'd be an above average 3B or a solid 2B.   He hit 6 homers in 88 AB's with a wood bat on the Cape last year which is always a good sign.  46 walks to 28 strikeouts this year as a junior.  Switch hitter.  Makeup is plus.    I think Jones is my #1 choice but I'm starting to feel like Brooks Lee is my #2.     

For me: Jones, Holiday, Lee, Green, Parada. Would be very upset with Berry and disappointed but not irate on Collier.

[TheWall]

Want: Jones (hope everyone is right) 

Take: Holliday 

 

I think there is a solid shot we take Druw, but right now my guess would be that Holliday is more likely. I'd imagine our willingness to pay the asking price for Jones will come down to how advanced we think the bat is. 

I could sell myself on any of Jones, Holliday, Johnson, Collier or Green. Any would be exciting to add to the system and could end up the best player in the draft. Unsure of what my order of preference is -- changing by the day. 

I will be disappointed if we take Lee, though it is potentially justifiable if we view him as a SS. 

I will throw something and weave a tapestry of profanity if we take Berry. No possible justification there. 

[Moose Milligan]

Found this picture of SG and RZNJ:

 

Anyway, the more I've thought about it, if we don't take Jones (and the more we go along, NOT taking him seems like a WTF move as he continues to seemingly separate himself from the pack), I agree with @TheWallthat I could sell myself on any one of the other remaining guys, minus Berry and Lee. 

If it were Berry, I think I'd actually be pretty upset.  If it were not Jones and one of the remaining guys I'd be somewhat disappointed that it wasn't Jones but try to look at the positive side of things and focus on the upside of whoever we just drafted.

Johnson:  MLB.com raves about the bat-to-ball skills, says some evaluators are giving his bat a near 80 grade.  That would be hard not to get excited about.  I couldn't care less that he's 5'8", there have been plenty of smaller players who have done very well for themselves.  The fact that height is a focal point is silly.

Green:  Elite runner.  But the swing and miss in his game still worries me, even though the writeup on MLB.com (shut up, I'm not paying for Baseball America) says it's gotten better.  Seems like an elite overall athlete which would be welcomed.

Holliday:  SS is always welcome, great bloodlines.  

Collier:  Younger than the rest, playing well against older talent.  Doesn't appear to have a problem against velocity.

Jones should be the pick though.

[jamesenoch]

I like Brooks Lee, but I am very concerned about his history of injuries in high school and college :

https://www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/2022-mlb-draft-top-prospects/

 Lee’s only major concern is his health. He missed time with multiple back injuries in high school and had hamstring surgery as a true freshman. His physical, maxed-out frame raises concerns about how his body will age. 

 

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

29 minutes ago, jamesenoch said:

I like Brooks Lee, but I am very concerned about his history of injuries in high school and college :

https://www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/2022-mlb-draft-top-prospects/

 Lee’s only major concern is his health. He missed time with multiple back injuries in high school and had hamstring surgery as a true freshman. His physical, maxed-out frame raises concerns about how his body will age. 

 

Well…that’s certainty important.