Kyle Stowers called up

[ChuckS]

3 minutes ago, linedrive said:

Again, it wasn't just the "delay Stowers" explanation. If you read through the entire post, there were 4-5 other good explanations as well. I'm sure all these factored into the decision, including player development. In the end, I'm sure they thought Phillips could help the team, and when that experiment didn't work, they moved on to Stowers. I have no problem with any of this, even though I would like to have seen Stowers sooner. Phillips is gone. Stowers is here. I don't see the need to complain.

Unfortunately, Stowers went 0-4 today. I wonder how many are going to complain about him being called up to soon!

None. If I had to guess. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, ChuckS said:

None. If I had to guess. 

No one is suggesting he's a can't miss prospect with a flawless game.

[cheecks]

I know this sounds reactionary because Stowers had a bad day. at the plate. But his plate discipline is less than impressive so far. He appears to swing at every low breaking ball. I'm no scout, but I am not optimistic about this guy at all. 

[linedrive]

2 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

None. If I had to guess. 

Oh, there will be. There will be. 0-4 with 4 strikeouts? There's always someone to complain about something...

[Remember The Alomar]

1 minute ago, cheecks said:

I know this sounds reactionary because Stowers had a bad day. at the plate. But his plate discipline is less than impressive so far. He appears to swing at every low breaking ball. I'm no scout, but I am not optimistic about this guy at all. 

I didn't watch the game, but Adley looked less than good his first two weeks in the show, so let us not give up hope quite yet. 

[baltfan]

Pretty obvious the book on him is to throw him breaking balls.  He does chase but fouls off a surprising number of them.   Would like to see him shorten up a bit with 2 strikes. Maybe he is just anxious and the discipline will improve. 

[Roll Tide]

7 hours ago, cheecks said:

I know this sounds reactionary because Stowers had a bad day. at the plate. But his plate discipline is less than impressive so far. He appears to swing at every low breaking ball. I'm no scout, but I am not optimistic about this guy at all. 

I’m mentioned his K rate in one of the threads were people were calling for his promotion. Sadly, you have to pick your poison at this point. So Stowers over Phillips was a good choice. But, man he looked overmatched yesterday. 
 

I really have trouble understanding guys here wanting a flawed player to “learn at the majors under our coaching”. Since the organizational message should be consistent we shouldn’t need to have guys do that. 
 

This isn’t really knee jerk and hopefully Stowers looks better the next game. 

 

[Hallas]

Pivetta had really good stuff today so I'm not too worried.   As long as he can punish hangers.  It's definitely something to keep an eye on though. 

[Roll Tide]

7 hours ago, Remember The Alomar said:

I didn't watch the game, but Adley looked less than good his first two weeks in the show, so let us not give up hope quite yet. 

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that we do that. I think the general sentiment is that a guy like Stowers is under pressure to produce up here when he should be getting his feet wet.

I look at the Red Sox trade for Pham who has been a contributor for them especially against us. He was had for a PTNL (non 40 man or 2022 drafted player). While we don’t know who that player will be it seems like a C+ prospect at A/A+ is probably the ceiling. I can’t help but think how little extra we’d have to give to beat that offer and what little impact it would’ve made to “The Plan”.

[Can_of_corn]

26 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I’m mentioned his K rate in one of the threads were people were calling for his promotion. Sadly, you have to pick your poison at this point. So Stowers over Phillips was a good choice. But, man he looked overmatched yesterday. 
 

I really have trouble understanding guys here wanting a flawed player to “learn at the majors under our coaching”. Since the organizational message should be consistent we shouldn’t need to have guys do that. 
 

This isn’t really knee jerk and hopefully Stowers looks better the next game. 

 

 Because you can't just throw more minor league at bats at a guy and have him magically transform.

You can't simulate the level of opposition.

As for the coaching thing?

Eh.  The message might be the same but the skill level of the instructors won't be.

Edited August 22, 2022 by Can_of_corn

[Roll Tide]

15 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

 Because you can't just throw more minor league at bats at a guy and have him magically transform.

You can't simulate the level of opposition.

As for the coaching thing?

Eh.  The message might be the same but the skill level of the instructors won't be.

I’m not debating the quality of the coaches. What I’m saying is, if I guy can’t lower his strikeout rate or in the case of a pitcher, pitching efficiency at AAA why would you expect that too happen after he’s called up. It just seems to reason that he shouldn’t do better against AAA talent, No?

 

To add on …Elias screwed the pooch when he didn’t make a couple minor moves to help. I already mentioned Pham for a PTBNL over Phillips. And some serviceable SP versus calling up Hall before he is ready. I refuse to believe the latter wasn’t available for a price that really wouldn’t hurt the plan. 
 

They were hoping to catch lightning in a bottle twice and I wouldn’t be surprised if Gunnar isn’t next based on desperation to find something that can make a difference. Kinda makes you yearn for the August 31st deadline.

Edited August 22, 2022 by Roll Tide

[waroriole]

8 hours ago, cheecks said:

I know this sounds reactionary because Stowers had a bad day. at the plate. But his plate discipline is less than impressive so far. He appears to swing at every low breaking ball. I'm no scout, but I am not optimistic about this guy at all. 

I agree……..it is reactionary 

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

I really have trouble understanding guys here wanting a flawed player to “learn at the majors under our coaching”. Since the organizational message should be consistent we shouldn’t need to have guys do that. 

I'm interested in how any player is going to learn to hit against really top caliber MLB pitchers who adjust to your tendencies on a daily basis if you're in AAA?

[Can_of_corn]

54 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I’m not debating the quality of the coaches. What I’m saying is, if I guy can’t lower his strikeout rate or in the case of a pitcher, pitching efficiency at AAA why would you expect that too happen after he’s called up. It just seems to reason that he shouldn’t do better against AAA talent, No?

 

To add on …Elias screwed the pooch when he didn’t make a couple minor moves to help. I already mentioned Pham for a PTBNL over Phillips. And some serviceable SP versus calling up Hall before he is ready. I refuse to believe the latter wasn’t available for a price that really wouldn’t hurt the plan. 
 

They were hoping to catch lightning in a bottle twice and I wouldn’t be surprised if Gunnar isn’t next based on desperation to find something that can make a difference. Kinda makes you yearn for the August 31st deadline.

I don't think Elias is doing/will do anything out of desperation this season.

[DrungoHazewood]

52 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I’m not debating the quality of the coaches. What I’m saying is, if I guy can’t lower his strikeout rate or in the case of a pitcher, pitching efficiency at AAA why would you expect that too happen after he’s called up. It just seems to reason that he shouldn’t do better against AAA talent, No?

 

To add on …Elias screwed the pooch when he didn’t make a couple minor moves to help. I already mentioned Pham for a PTBNL over Phillips. And some serviceable SP versus calling up Hall before he is ready. I refuse to believe the latter wasn’t available for a price that really wouldn’t hurt the plan. 
 

They were hoping to catch lightning in a bottle twice and I wouldn’t be surprised if Gunnar isn’t next based on desperation to find something that can make a difference. Kinda makes you yearn for the August 31st deadline.

You wanted the Orioles to acquire the kind of talent from other teams that they could get without hurting the plan, which would almost certainly be flawed role players.  Since flawless players are never available for spare change.  Because you really, really don't want them to call up flawed players from AAA who cost nothing and are playing well?

Almost every player has a flaw you can exploit sometimes.  If Elias waited to call up Stowers until, say, his strikeout rate improved by 30% he'd still be at Norfolk when he becomes a six year minor league free agent.