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I'm just catching up on this but we know how Elias and company share information outside of their inner circle. They don't. We've heard from players many times say they don't hear from the Orioles abo

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@Sports Guyis so prolific, he's the #3 poster on the Soxtalk thread despite joining on page 102 of 149. He's also the #1 poster in this thread, so potentially on track to be the #1 poster on both team

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35 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Awful:

 

https://nypost.com/2024/01/18/sports/astros-emerging-as-possible-josh-hader-fit-in-mlb-free-agency/
 

There’s growing belief the White Sox could hold onto Dylan Cease until the trade deadline. The Orioles have the best prospects but don’t want to part with top infield prospect Jordan Westburg.
 

 

What if Westburg is the 2nd piece? It's easy to say it's awful if you only hear 1 name.

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25 minutes ago, orioles22 said:

I hoped that Westburg would be the player they wanted. I think Ortiz will be better in the long run.

What position does Westburg play when Holliday is promoted?  Where does Ortiz play if the O's keep Westburg.  The O's don't need 8 utility players.  I'm sure we don't know the whole story and I like Westburg, but Westburg, if he's the main piece wouldn't keep me from making this deal.

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33 minutes ago, orioles22 said:

I hoped that Westburg would be the player they wanted. I think Ortiz will be better in the long run.

I wouldn't mind Westburg going to CWS but I'm guessing they are asking for either Cowser/Kjerstad + Westburg. That's likely too much for Cease.

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4 minutes ago, Malike said:

I wouldn't mind Westburg going to CWS but I'm guessing they are asking for either Cowser/Kjerstad + Westburg. That's likely too much for Cease.

Is it though? You’d all still have Holliday, Mayo, Basallo, one of Cowser/Kjerstad, Bradfield, Ortiz, and literally everyone else from last year who contributed to a 101 win team. They’re not giving up more for Luzardo 

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3 minutes ago, SoxFan3344 said:

Is it though? You’d all still have Holliday, Mayo, Basallo, one of Cowser/Kjerstad, Bradfield, Ortiz, and literally everyone else from last year who contributed to a 101 win team. They’re not giving up more for Luzardo 

I'd say so because it's not just going to end with those 2 players. They wanted two top prospects, check. Those names are likely listed, then they want a couple more on the bubble, and giving up a Povich/McDermott in addition to whomever else they throw in is too much in my opinion. I'm also not very high on Cease, I hate the way his statcast data is trending and his pitch values tanked. 

A lot of people here think he's been 2022 Dylan Cease for 4 years and that year is the outlier.

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Do the folks here think that Westburg should be on the untouchable list? 

Depends on the whole package to me but in the end it’s Elias job to evaluate talent and if he thinks that highly of Westburg I have to trust him on it.    I’m guessing he’s okay giving up some combination of Cowser, Ortiz, Norby, Beavers, etc., which should be enough to get a deal done talent wise.  Looks like Getz is higher on the guys he can’t get.    It’s still just a negotiation.  

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46 minutes ago, Malike said:

What if Westburg is the 2nd piece? It's easy to say it's awful if you only hear 1 name.

The report said the Os don’t want to part with Westburg. I’m taking that comment at face value and that’s absurd.

We need Cease a lot more than we need Westburg and Westburg makes much more sense to deal than Kjerstad or Cowser.

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The report said the Os don’t want to part with Westburg. I’m taking that comment at face value and that’s absurd.

We need Cease a lot more than we need Westburg and Westburg makes much more sense to deal than Kjerstad or Cowser.

So at face value "they don't want to part with Westburg" with no other context suggests its a 1:1 deal. I agree, that's awful. If you believe the insiders on the Sox site, they claim it's Cowser/Kjerstad + Westburg. They will want more after that as well. Still awful?

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The report said the Os don’t want to part with Westburg. I’m taking that comment at face value and that’s absurd.

We need Cease a lot more than we need Westburg and Westburg makes much more sense to deal than Kjerstad or Cowser.

Maybe we can have Cease and keep Westburg too.   You can keep playing pretend GM with Chicago White Sox while Elias does the real thing.

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3 minutes ago, Malike said:

So at face value "they don't want to part with Westburg" with no other context suggests its a 1:1 deal. I agree, that's awful. If you believe the insiders on the Sox site, they claim it's Cowser/Kjerstad + Westburg. They will want more after that as well. Still awful?

Personally I’m ok with Kjerstad and Westburg, I don’t need another piece that IMO helps both teams accomplish what they’re looking for 

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Just now, SoxFan3344 said:

Personally I’m ok with Kjerstad and Westburg, I don’t need another piece that IMO helps both teams accomplish what they’re looking for 

That certainly changes the picture some, but I don't know how realistic it is. I'm sure Getz would want some lotto tickets or high upside youngins thrown in.

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26 minutes ago, SoxFan3344 said:

Is it though? You’d all still have Holliday, Mayo, Basallo, one of Cowser/Kjerstad, Bradfield, Ortiz, and literally everyone else from last year who contributed to a 101 win team. They’re not giving up more for Luzardo 

Yeah, but your argument is that we should pay Getz’ ask because we can afford to not because it’s a fair deal for each side.   Cease guarantees us nothing.   We’d like to have him but we don’t have to have him.

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I'll go out on a limb and say that there is zero chance Getz is proposing Westburg as the headliner with Beavers and Povich. He's asking for Cowser/Kjerstad + Westburg and likely Povich/McDermott and a 4th piece.

If the deal was Westburg/Beavers/Povich, Cease would have been announced as an Oriole already.

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