Holliday or Skenes. Who would you rather have?

[Roy Firestone]

7 hours ago, Frobby said:

Not so.  The Orioles’ go-to TJ surgeon is Dr. Keith Meister, who did Felix Bautista, John Means and others.  https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/rangers/2024/03/07/how-dr-keith-meister-revolutionized-tommy-john-surgery-much-to-texas-rangers-benefit/?outputType=amp

so youre saying he's "Keith-Meister"....like on SNL...

 

 

[RZNJ]

On 3/20/2024 at 11:15 AM, Sports Guy said:

Something I was recently told by someone close to the team.

Hyde agrees.

“Yeah,” he said. “Gunn can be as good as anybody in the game. He’s just a really, really talented guy.”

That's a pretty high ceiling but maybe the bat boy has a different opinion.

[Frobby]

Any Holliday voters want to reconsider their votes?

BTW, Holliday is hitting .292/.485/.542 in July so far.  Nice to see the BA and ISO trending up.

[LookinUp]

Lol. I felt like a lone wolf in this thread. Can't believe 15% of people kind of agreed.

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Any Holliday voters want to reconsider their votes?

BTW, Holliday is hitting .292/.485/.542 in July so far.  Nice to see the BA and ISO trending up.

No, not even a thought. Skenes will be missing 1-2 years very soon.

[vab]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Any Holliday voters want to reconsider their votes?

BTW, Holliday is hitting .292/.485/.542 in July so far.  Nice to see the BA and ISO trending up.

The answer now is the same as it was then if you take your orange colored glasses off. That's not a knock on Holliday, I think he'll be at least a solid everyday player and maybe very good but Skenes is ridiculous. 

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

No, not even a thought. Skenes will be missing 1-2 years very soon.

Putting aside the hypothetical about who would have more value during the years of team control, it would be very nice to have Skenes right now and for whatever additional time he pitches before he misses time (if he does).  He meets our current needs much more than Holliday does.   

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Putting aside the hypothetical about who would have more value during the years of team control, it would be very nice to have Skenes right now and for whatever additional time he pitches before he misses time (if he does).  He meets our current needs much more than Holliday does.   

I’ll take the elite MVP level positional talent over the CY talent. 
 

If you told me that Skenes was never going to get hurt, I may go with him but the risk is just too much if I’m deciding between those 2 types of players.

[ChosenOne21]

There are people in this thread who don't want the Orioles to ever spend a high draft pick on pitching because it's too risky. They say it's better to get really good at developing mid-round lottery tickets into starting pitching. Okay, ideally yes, that would be better.

The Orioles have failed miserably at this for the last five years.

I think some of that is random chance because they've shown they have an eye for pitchers in trades, but they've had five years to figure out how to do this and zero successes. Other teams have done it, the Orioles may be able to do it someday, but right now they can't.

Other than Burnes, they haven't even been able to convert their position prospect capital into good pitching. We'll see what happens at the deadline, but if they fail to do so, that's even more of an argument for drafting pitchers with some of your higher picks.

They really need to stop drafting the Mac Horvaths, Donta Williams's and Tavian Josenbergers of the world and start gambling on some high-risk, high reward pitchers.

I'd still probably trade Jackson Holliday straight up for Paul Skenes today, same as four months ago. The gap between Holliday and our second best option at 2B is much smaller than the gap between Skenes and our worst starting pitcher. There's no way the Pirates would make that trade, which I guess means the Pirates are foolish to hear it from some of the people here.

[jabba72]

I voted for Skenes, He's been as good as advertised, also because the O's clearly need a SP more at this time. Hopefully Holliday makes me regret this vote in short order.

[vab]

6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I’ll take the elite MVP level positional talent over the CY talent. 
 

If you told me that Skenes was never going to get hurt, I may go with him but the risk is just too much if I’m deciding between those 2 types of players.

I might go with you on that but is Holliday going to be that? I hope so but it's not a given. Skenes is already there. 

[jabba72]

10 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I’ll take the elite MVP level positional talent over the CY talent. 
 

If you told me that Skenes was never going to get hurt, I may go with him but the risk is just too much if I’m deciding between those 2 types of players.

Yes and Holliday has some type of elbow inflammation, not exactly good for an infielder. He might be going on his own extended IL trips.

[Jammer7]

Skenes has an impact not only every five days when he starts, but also saves the pen so they can have more impact in other games. He is certainly a dominant force so far. 

However, no, not changing my vote. Jackson will play 150 games a year, and he should be a perennial all star. Skenes likely misses 1-2 years for injury at some point. The human body simply cannot sustain that kind of torque on the elbow. Strasberg comes to mind.

To each your own. 

[jamalshw]

I'm not sure if I voted in this poll or not, but if I did, I probably would have said Holliday and if I did, I would be changing it now. 

I'd feel amazing about a rotation of Burnes, Skenes and Grayson. That would be insane to go into a playoff series with. I still believe in Holliday. I think he'll be an All-Star level player, but the need is on the mound more right now. 

I get the whole idea that Skenes is very likely to need TJ at some point and miss a year or two. But to be honest, I take that risk. Now, would I extend him after his 6-7 years of control? Probably not. But I'd happily take the TJ risk in his under control years, hope he can survive those 6 years before the health issues and noting that if he does have the health issues, it would suppress his arbitration amounts. 

[Roll Tide]

Skenes but I don’t think Holiday gets you him?