Jackson Holliday 2024

[SemperFi]

13 hours ago, Frobby said:

I was at today’s game:  A small play I didn’t like today occurred in the first inning.  Hoskins hit a ball off the wall in LCF, Cowser picked it up and whirled to throw, but Holliday hadn’t gone to cover 2B.   Cowser threw it to Gunnar instead well to the LF side of 2B.  I doubt there would have been a close play at 2B, but Holliday needs to be there presenting Cowser with a target.   Not sure if the announcers commented on this.  

I don't think Gunnar or Holliday anticipated Cowser getting to the ball so quickly.  On replay it appeared Holliday was setting for a double-cut but that doesn't make sense-he likely gave up on the play at 2b and migrated to back up.  Cowser is showing why Tony and others thought he was a plus defender-he is so fluid for a guy his size.

[OriolesMagic83]

19 minutes ago, interloper said:

I agree it's ridiculous, and re: the bolded part... in short, yes. It's a confluence of stuff - Matt Holliday being his dad, the media's obsession with the number thing and trotting out Cal to watch all his home games for little more than PR reasons, Holliday being 1:1 and his age. It's really been pretty gross IMO. It's like some contrived passing of the baton from Cal to Holliday and it honestly doesn't even make that much sense. It's been really off-putting for me. 

I hope now that that first home series is over with, fans and the media and the organization just tone it down and let him play. 

Cal, Jr was never under this much pressure when he got promoted.  Most casual O's fans probably didn't know who Cal Sr was. 

[Bemorewins]

1 hour ago, glenn__davis said:

Honestly the hype around Holliday is getting really stupid.

I was listening on the radio last night and Ben Wagner (new guy) was doing the call.  He's been OK so far, but during that 7th inning while the O's were rallying, I swear all he talked about was Holliday getting his first hit.  It was almost like the fact that we had rallied to take the lead was secondary.

Even Founding Father Adley didn't get this much hype.  Is it just because he's Matt Holliday's kid?  

That probably has something to do with it. Also because he's an incredible talent who was promoted through 4 levels of the Minor Leagues in ONE SINGLE calendar year BEFORE AGE 20.

When you look at the amount of ABs that he had in all of the Minor Leagues before his promotion, he is rarified air. He really is that good at baseball. Don't let the first four games fool you. The kid is ultra talented and will be a star. He wasn't mistakenly drafter 1:1. When you are the top pick of the draft, become baseball's number 1 prospect, your dad was a very good big leaguer, and you begin your big league career at age 20; you are going to get a lor of hype (as you should).

[Frobby]

26 minutes ago, interloper said:

I agree it's ridiculous, and re: the bolded part... in short, yes. It's a confluence of stuff - Matt Holliday being his dad, the media's obsession with the number thing and trotting out Cal to watch all his home games for little more than PR reasons, Holliday being 1:1 and his age. It's really been pretty gross IMO. It's like some contrived passing of the baton from Cal to Holliday and it honestly doesn't even make that much sense. It's been really off-putting for me. 

I hope now that that first home series is over with, fans and the media and the organization just let him play. 

I think you’re missing one other thing: he’s 20 years old and has the face of a fifteen year old.  I think young fans are particularly enamored of the young man, based on watching the kids in the stands yesterday.   He’s practically one of them!

I’m glad he has his first hit out of the way and can relax a bit now.  

[Sanfran327]

Knowing this place, I’m not the only one wondering, but maybe I’m the first one to put it out there. How long of a leash does Jackson have before he’s sent down for a little reset like they did for Rodriguez last year? 

Obviously, I hope he makes this post look stupid by the end of the week, but I do wonder if there is any point at which a healthy Jackson Holliday isn’t on the big league roster.  

[Frobby]

6 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

Knowing this place, I’m not the only one wondering, but maybe I’m the first one to put it out there. How long of a leash does Jackson have before he’s sent down for a little reset like they did for Rodriguez last year? 

Obviously, I hope he makes this post look stupid by the end of the week, but I do wonder if there is any point at which a healthy Jackson Holliday isn’t on the big league roster.  

Rodriguez got two months.  

[Sanfran327]

9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Rodriguez got two months.  

Good reminder. But for an SP vs an everyday player, Jackson may only get a few weeks. Hope it doesn’t come to fruition. 

I’m not familiar with his scouting report, but he seems to be swinging at a ton. Is that his game, or is he just young and pressing too much? Or both?

[btdart20]

59 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

Knowing this place, I’m not the only one wondering, but maybe I’m the first one to put it out there. How long of a leash does Jackson have before he’s sent down for a little reset like they did for Rodriguez last year? 

Obviously, I hope he makes this post look stupid by the end of the week, but I do wonder if there is any point at which a healthy Jackson Holliday isn’t on the big league roster.  

Gunnar got 2 months.  But who knows how much longer because that's all it took.

[Since1984]

54 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

Good reminder. But for an SP vs an everyday player, Jackson may only get a few weeks. Hope it doesn’t come to fruition. 

I’m not familiar with his scouting report, but he seems to be swinging at a ton. Is that his game, or is he just young and pressing too much? Or both?

MASN threw out the pitch spectrum thrown to Holliday before his first hit Sunday and it was all over the strike zone map. 
 

The opponents analytics are keeping him off balance by throwing everything different. This will work for sometime, until you get into game situations like Sunday night.

Holiday will adjust, but it’s going to be a first half struggle with some bright spots

[Ohfan67]

9 hours ago, glenn__davis said:

Is it just because he's Matt Holliday's kid?  

He's gotten a ton of hype by posters on Orioleshangout.  Was that just because he's Matt Holliday's kid? 

[Ohfan67]

1 hour ago, Sanfran327 said:

How long of a leash does Jackson have before he’s sent down for a little reset like they did for Rodriguez last year? 

 

As others mentioned, Gunnar got a pretty long leash. I am sure Hyde and the organization will do what they can to stack the deck in Jackson's favor...he may platoon more with Mateo and go through stretches were he avoids left-handed pitchers and maybe even some of the tough righties. 

[survivedc]

I’d think if Holliday gets to somewhere between 30-50 at bats and is hitting under .100, they’d have to think about giving him that reset. 

[Malike]

I doubt he's going back down, he'll hit. He needs to start putting some stank on his throws to 1B, though. Everything is closer than it should be with him lobbing things over there.

[Malike]

3 minutes ago, survivedc said:

I’d think if Holliday gets to somewhere between 30-50 at bats and is hitting under .100, they’d have to think about giving him that reset. 

AAA pitching isn't going to help him hit MLB pitching. He needs to learn up here.

[Sanfran327]

9 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

As others mentioned, Gunnar got a pretty long leash. I am sure Hyde and the organization will do what they can to stack the deck in Jackson's favor...he may platoon more with Mateo and go through stretches were he avoids left-handed pitchers and maybe even some of the tough righties. 

Remind me… Was Gunnar ever sent back down once he got up here? If that happened, I don’t remember it. I definitely think that Jackson is here to stay, but I wasn’t expecting his first week to be so anemic.