Jackson Holliday 2024

[OriolesUpAndDowns]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Only an elite athlete can turn a single into a double 

Agree.  It was a heads up play and showed his baseball instincts.  

 

Also, Durham has great TV coverage for a AAA team.  

Edited Friday at 13:50 by OriolesUpAndDowns

[andymax]

16 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

I feel like Basallo should be put under the same scrutiny.  How many of his HR have been against washed up non prospects.  Questionable whether he can even defensively handle catcher.  It's not just throwing base stealers out.  Basallo struggles to keep his OPS above .900 in AA when Holliday obliterated AA at the same age with an OPS over 1.000.  Basallo is far from untouchable.

Totally agree, let's also find things to complain about with our other extremely young and talented prospect! If there's one thing this forum needs more of, in the year 2024 when we are the envy of the entire league, it's complaints.

[Hank Scorpio]

13 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

I feel like Basallo should be put under the same scrutiny.  How many of his HR have been against washed up non prospects.  Questionable whether he can even defensively handle catcher.  It's not just throwing base stealers out.  Basallo struggles to keep his OPS above .900 in AA when Holliday obliterated AA at the same age with an OPS over 1.000.  Basallo is far from untouchable.

Basallo AND Holliday are both one of, if not THE youngest players in their respective leagues. Their development (Holliday's especially) is always judged based on WHY ARE THEY NOT IN THE BIG LEAGUES OMG WTF.

But the truth of the matter is, they are excelling against much older professional baseball players. Jackson Holliday is effectively a sophomore in college. Basallo is a 19 year old in AA OPS'ing .813.

Let's pump the brakes a bit on scrutinizing their performances. 

[RZNJ]

31 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Should have said .800 since his OPS is .813.

At this time last year, Holliday was still in Aberdeen on his way to a .940 OPS.   He didn’t get promoted to Bowie until July 14, so your comparison is a bit premature.  
 

Maybe Basallo’s .894 OPS in June and 1.053 OPS so far in July is a better comp?

Edited Friday at 14:15 by RZNJ

[Safelykept]

46 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

I feel like Basallo should be put under the same scrutiny.  How many of his HR have been against washed up non prospects.  Questionable whether he can even defensively handle catcher.  It's not just throwing base stealers out.  Basallo struggles to keep his OPS above .900 in AA when Holliday obliterated AA at the same age with an OPS over 1.000.  Basallo is far from untouchable.

when Holliday obliterated AA at the same age with an OPS over 1.000, against the same washed up pitchers that Basallo is having success against. Whats good for the goose. Basallo will put under the same scrutiny As JH when he does what JH did come up and make a mess of it for 3 weeks. Maybe they are both too young. Its a rare talant the can handle MLB at such young age 

[OriolesMagic83]

Basallo has Gary Sánchez's skill set, except from the left side of the plate. Fangraphs

I would like my future catcher's power  to be compared to Sanchez's.  They-re catching abilty not so much.

[RZNJ]

5 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Basallo has Gary Sánchez's skill set, except from the left side of the plate. Fangraphs

I would like my future catcher's power  to be compared to Sanchez's.  They-re catching abilty not so much.

Similar skill set.  Of course, Gary Sanchez was in AA when he was 21, putting up a .743 OPS.    Our boy Basallo, according to some, is struggling to keep his OPS over .800 at the age of 19.

[Hank Scorpio]

1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

Similar skill set.  Of course, Gary Sanchez was in AA when he was 21, putting up a .743 OPS.  Our boy Basallo, according to some, is struggling to keep his OPS over .800 at the age of 19.

There are some legit positional questions to be answered with all three of the O's top guys. It's interesting... they can all hit.

Where do they best fit? (Obvious nod to Johnnie Cochran....)

[Frobby]

I’d say both Holliday and Basallo are victims of their own early success and people’s tendency to get over-excited by that kind of precociousness.  Both are having very good seasons at the level they’re at, and are way ahead of schedule for players their age, yet people are disappointed that they aren’t rocketing forward at the same pace of acceleration as last year.   Holliday has a 145 wRC+ in AAA at age 20, and Basallo has a 128 wRC+ in AA at age 19.  If they need a little more time to bake at the level they’re at, that’s absolutely fine.   

Edited Friday at 16:33 by Frobby

[OriolesMagic83]

18 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Similar skill set.  Of course, Gary Sanchez was in AA when he was 21, putting up a .743 OPS.    Our boy Basallo, according to some, is struggling to keep his OPS over .800 at the age of 19.

So,laughter and super supportive of Basallo while questioning everything that Holliday does.  Got it. No nit picking whether Basallo is really an elite athlete.

[Sports Guy]

14 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

So,laughter and super supportive of Basallo while questioning everything that Holliday does.  Got it. No nit picking whether Basallo is really an elite athlete.

People can’t separate the bad 34 at bats from reality.  Basallo hasn’t had those at bats at this level in front of their face, so it’s different.

[interloper]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

People can’t separate the bad 34 at bats from reality.  Basallo hasn’t had those at bats at this level in front of their face, so it’s different.

No one cares about the 36 ABs. It's the sub-par AAA showing. 

But again, he's very young for the level, and will be fine, obviously. 

It's just going to be next year for him, that's all. And that's fine! But to simply ignore his performance this year in AAA and act like he's going to be an upgrade this year is just sticking your head in the sand. He needs to show consistent and improved power and hit tool. He's not doing that yet. I think he will next year at 21. 

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, interloper said:

No one cares about the 36 ABs. It's the sub-par AAA showing. 

But again, he's very young for the level, and will be fine, obviously. 

It's just going to be next year for him, that's all. And that's fine! But to simply ignore his performance this year in AAA and act like he's going to be an upgrade this year is just sticking your head in the sand. He needs to show consistent and improved power and hit tool. He's not doing that yet. I think he will next year at 21. 

You might not care about the 36 at bats but some people here care a lot.

[Hank Scorpio]

7 minutes ago, interloper said:

No one cares about the 36 ABs. It's the sub-par AAA showing. 

But again, he's very young for the level, and will be fine, obviously. 

It's just going to be next year for him, that's all. And that's fine! But to simply ignore his performance this year in AAA and act like he's going to be an upgrade this year is just sticking your head in the sand. He needs to show consistent and improved power and hit tool. He's not doing that yet. I think he will next year at 21. 

Wait... what? Maybe I'm misinterpreting here.

You're suggesting that Jackson Holliday's AAA performance has been sub-par?

[interloper]

Just now, Hank Scorpio said:

Wait... what? Maybe I'm misinterpreting here.

You're suggesting that Jackson Holliday's AAA performance has been sub-par?

For a 20-year old, no. It's been fantastic.

For someone angling to get on this 26-man roster this year, yes. It's not enough.