Dave Cameron: O's rank as worst organization in baseball

[Frobby]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2012-organizational-rankings-30-baltimore/

2012 outlook: 29th

2013+ outlook: 28th

Financial resources: 24th

Baseball operations: 30th

Overall: 30th

[Sports Guy]

He was actually generous.

[Lucky Jim]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2012-organizational-rankings-30-baltimore/

2012 outlook: 29th

2013+ outlook: 28th

Financial resources: 24th

Baseball operations: 30th

Overall: 30th

Fair enough. I can't argue much w/ the factual statements (though the drop-off is after Schoop, not Machado). It's a pretty narrow analysis full of supposition masking as certainty, but at the same time, the organization has done little to promote confidence.

That said, Cameron's a joke. If, in the process of winning, we get to make him look silly, all the better.

[UMDTerrapins]

Don't be fooled.....being last doesn't mean things can't get worse.

[skanar]

I'm not buying it. Houston got a huge boost from the most speculative category (Quality of Baseball Ops), while the O's were ranked 30th. The O's are THE worst, just bottom 5 for sure.... as if that's worth anything.

[flashjordnk]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2012-organizational-rankings-30-baltimore/

2012 outlook: 29th

2013+ outlook: 28th

Financial resources: 24th

Baseball operations: 30th

Overall: 30th

As he points out in his article, he had the O's 16th last year, and now 30th this year. Let's just say...if Bmat, Arrieta rebound the O's will look much better the year following that too.

This ranking seems to be placed in a snapshot bubble. If the O's have some midtier prospects perform, if the new system Duquette put into place pans out, and something can be had from Bmat/Tillman/Arrieta next year he'll have the O's right back in 16th. Their rankings of the farm system and baseball operations seemed to be based a lot around the fact that Duquette wasn't the first choice and the Kim Seong-min thing. Rather than the real overhaul that's going on in the O's MiLB right now.

I really could care less what people like this say though. It seems like it's similar to the same people that ranked Wieters as the biggest draft bust ever type of writing and analysis to me.

Do I think the O's are better than 25th, probably not. But 30th seems a bit low to me.

[Lucky Jim]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/organizational-rankings-6-seattle/

[vab]

14 losing seasons in a row? Yeah, I can't argue with it.

[Sports Guy]

I'm not buying it. Houston got a huge boost from the most speculative category (Quality of Baseball Ops), while the O's were ranked 30th. The O's are THE worst, just bottom 5 for sure.... as if that's worth anything.

Houston has a much better shot at contending quicker than the O's do.

Even if you want to say we are more talented top to bottom(which I do believe), they still don't play in our division.

[Mr Snuffleupagus]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/organizational-rankings-6-seattle/

And that is all you need to know about the validity of those rankings.

I would have had us ahead of Houston fwiw.

[Lucky Jim]

Don't get me wrong, I can't (and won't) really argue with putting us at the bottom. I can quibble with the logic of how they put us there, and the bleakness/certainty with which they do so. Inputs on things like this are imperfect, and constantly moving. Really, all you can reliably do is break orgs up into something like 3-4 tiers. Within those, both mobility and lack-of-predictability reign.

[TGO]

Fair enough. I can't argue much w/ the factual statements (though the drop-off is after Schoop, not Machado). It's a pretty narrow analysis full of supposition masking as certainty, but at the same time, the organization has done little to promote confidence.

That said, Cameron's a joke. If, in the process of winning, we get to make him look silly, all the better.

What's wrong with Dave Cameron? The writing at Fangraphs often leaves something to be desired but he generally has been an exception to that. And I've always enjoyed USS Mariner.

[skanar]

Houston has a much better shot at contending quicker than the O's do.

Even if you want to say we are more talented top to bottom(which I do believe), they still don't play in our division.

They're going to be in the AL West starting in 2013, which has the Rangers and Angels, both of which look pretty set. Not that it's better than the AL East, just that it will also be a tough division.

Also, Fangraphs agrees that O's have more talent and a better outlook (O's ranked better than 'Stros for 2012 and 2013+). But they give Houston the 12th-best baseball ops division, which pushed them ahead. It's a lot of credit for a brand-new front office.

[Lucky Jim]

What's wrong with Dave Cameron? The writing at Fangraphs often leaves something to be desired but he generally has been an exception to that. And I've always enjoyed USS Mariner.

I think he's an ass. I'm happy to concede that he's rubbed me the wrong way for years, and it may be a personal quirk.

[Can_of_corn]

He whiffed big on Financials, he made the common mistake of looking at ratings instead of the forced subscription base.

Other then that, yea can't argue with it. Time will tell if DD's move pan out. I will say his actions so far in Korea have me very worried.