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Rob, what do you think of swapping Cedeno for Patterson?

Would that make the package go up or down, IYO?

Overall talent of the package would decrease ever so slightly... but it'd be much less horrible of a trade for the Cubs. We wouldn't really need EPatt with Roberts in the fold... We really need Cedeno for when Theriot falls flat on his face.

Last year was probably Theriot's ceiling... yeah. He's that bad.

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Hmm, 5 players for Tejada, 5 players for Bedard...

I think Andy will squeeze one more guy out of Hendry. My guess is a throw-in relief arm, a la Mickolio/Sarfate.

Just tossing out names from through the Cubs roster: Angel Guzman, Billy Petrick, Carmen Pignatiello (very good PECOTA projection), Jose Ceda, Kevin Hart (former Oriole), Alessandro Maestri (good name!).

Do any Cubs fans have info on the above guys as far as talent and Hendry is likely to give up?

Guzman is out for the year with TJS. Ceda is our #4 prospect, and isn't gonna be a throw in. Hart will be in the AAA rotation, he's now our backup starter. You wont be getting any of those three. (Not that I think you're likely to get anything else added at this point)

Of the rest of those guys, Maestri is the one you should be shooting for.

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Bigbird....Is that a deal we have asked for or what the Cubs have actually offered? Any idea what the Orioles are thinking in terms of agreeing to this or not?

Also, i wonder if we get Cedeno, does he play second or SS?

I have a feeling we see him at 2b, which is why I was wondering about Patterson.

We would have upgraded our SS position with Cedeno without addressing the hole at 2b. I think they would put Hernandez at SS because of his D over Cedeno.

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Josh Fogg. Why?

So he can tell World Series stories to our young pitchers and take some of the pressure off of them? That's all I can come up with. But I have to agree with the O's for wanting a veteran starter for at least part of the season. You can't have Daniel Cabrera being your 'veteran' with his wildness and (alleged) attitude problems.

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I have a feeling we see him at 2b, which is why I was wondering about Patterson.
We would have upgraded our SS position with Cedeno without addressing the hole at 2b.  I think they would put Hernandez at SS because of his D over Cedeno.




Yea, this is how I see it as well.


We should be looking to move pitching and/or Scott for either a second baseman or SS.



			
		


		

		
			

		
	


	

	





	
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So he can tell World Series stories to our young pitchers and take some of the pressure off of them?  That's all I can come up with.  But I have to agree with the O's for wanting a veteran starter for at least part of the season.  You can't have Daniel Cabrera being your 'veteran' with his wildness and (alleged) attitude problems.


Even if you buy into the fact that they need a veteran presence, which I don't, then there has to be soemone better then Fogg out there. His whip is awful. His ERA is above five in the national league, He's never pitched two hundred innings. I don't know what value he brings. I'd rather bring Trachsel back for a year and I hate that idea.



			
		


		

		
			

		
	


	

	





	
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Even if you buy into the fact that they need a veteran presence, which I don't, then there has to be soemone better then Fogg out there. His whip is awful. His ERA is above five in the national league, He's never pitched two hundred innings. I don't know what value he brings.


Don't forget his horrible HR/9, H/9 and K/9.



			
		


		

		
			

		
	


	

	





	
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Guzman is out for the year with TJS. Ceda is our #4 prospect, and isn't gonna be a throw in. Hart will be in the AAA rotation, he's now our backup starter. You wont be getting any of those three. (Not that I think you're likely to get anything else added at this point)
Of the rest of those guys, Maestri is the one you should be shooting for.




Thanks for the info, although Maestri is probably a little too far from the majors to be as likely a target.



			
		


		

		
	


	

	





	
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Yea, this is how I see it as well.


We should be looking to move pitching and/or Scott for either a second baseman or SS.






And do what in LF?  


My vote is to move some of the pitching because that will be one thing we will have a surplus of after all these deals, not Left Fielders.


In addition, I won't mind Scott and his .850 in LF.  I'm psyched to have him out there this season.



			
		


		

		
			

		
	


	

	





	
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And do what in LF?  
My vote is to move some of the pitching because that will be one thing we will have a surplus of after all these deals, not Left Fielders.


In addition, I won't mind Scott and his .850 in LF.  I'm psyched to have him out there this season.




Seems like Scott is better defensively...So, Scott gets the majority of time out there.


The Orioles really need to unload Payton and 2 of Gibbons, Huff, Millar and Mora.



			
		


		

		
			

		
	


	

	





	
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