Rick Dempsey: Orioles Should 'Go For It' As Trade Deadline Approaches

[baltimoreO's22]

When you have a window in any division you go for it.

The Astros are not sitting there going, "Well this is the AL West, let's just see how things go.".

Dempsey was spouting drivel.

That is true, but no other divisions have seen two teams dominate the division like the Yankees and Redsox have the past 20 years.

[Redskins Rick]

That is true' date=' but no other divisions have seen two teams dominate the division like the Yankees and Redsox have the past 20 years.[/quote']

Throw the Orioles into this Equation, for the past 5 seasons, they have done it twice.

[sportsfan8703]

That is true' date=' but no other divisions have seen two teams dominate the division like the Yankees and Redsox have the past 20 years.[/quote']

Those days are over now since PED's are mostly out of baseball. Big money FA contracts don't get guaranteed results like they used too.

[canonfaz]

What's he right about - going for the division or that this is a narrow window for success? Last I checked, we were the winningest team since 2012 and the team is hardly over the hill. No one has yet made a case that the Orioles can only win now and not in the future. No one. Including Dempsey. Gausman is bound to improve, Bundy get stronger. Sedlock after one year, potentially Harvey after two with some interesting arms after that with deep bullpen options and sustained hitting intact as the core. Extending Tillman, holding on to Gallardo as his shoulder regains strength...I don't see the mad rush. I really don't.

He's right about saying that we should "go for it" this year. The problem is that this isn't the year we have the chips to "go for it".

[weams]

Throw the Orioles into this Equation, for the past 5 seasons, they have done it twice.

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Five years is a better sampling than 20. The game has changed. The rules have changed. New York and Boston have changed.

[pastorfan]

Former Orioles catcher and current MASN analyst Rick Dempsey says the Orioles need to be willing to part with prospects for help at the MLB trade deadline.

"In our division right now, you've got to go for it while you can, because you may not get this window again."

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2016/07/26/rick-dempsey-orioles-should-go-for-it-as-trade-deadline-approaches

Dempsey is right. The Yanks are getting young cheap talent and you bet that they will retool with free agents and be a force in 2018. Harper and or Machado will certainly be a target for them. Thus, we already screwed away last year, so let's not do that again this year.

[Machado13]

Dempsey is right. The Yanks are getting young cheap talent and you bet that they will retool with free agents and be a force in 2018. Harper and or Machado will certainly be a target for them. Thus, we already screwed away last year, so let's not do that again this year.

I agree. Both Red Sox and Yankees are getting smart with acquiring young talent. It's just a very tough division as nyy, Bos and TOR markets have a lot of $$ to spend. Win now before there is a complete resurgence particularly from Yankees and Red Sox. The blue Jays tend to shoot themselves in the foot as they sometimes don't know what they are doing.

[Frobby]

That is true' date=' but no other divisions have seen two teams dominate the division like the Yankees and Redsox have the past 20 years.[/quote']

I assume you are omitting the last five years from this statement? Every AL East team has been to the playoffs the last five years, and all but Tampa have won the division crown (Tampa won it in 2008 and 2010).

2011 - NYY (TBR)

2012 - NYY (BAL)

2013 - BOS (TBR)

2014 - BAL

2015 - TOR (NYY)

[baltimoreO's22]

I assume you are omitting the last five years from this statement? Every AL East team has been to the playoffs the last five years, and all but Tampa have won the division crown (Tampa won it in 2008 and 2010).

2011 - NYY (TBR)

2012 - NYY (BAL)

2013 - BOS (TBR)

2014 - BAL

2015 - TOR (NYY)

No I am not excluding the last 5 years, all teams have made the playoffs but if you look at how many more times NYY and BOS have been there than the other teams, its pretty obvious that they have dominated.

[El Gordo]

Let's cling to our mighy top prospects because despite what BOS, MFY, and TOR spend in 2018 FA they'll keep us competitive......yeah, that's the ticket. :rolleyestf:

[osfan83]

Those days are over now since PED's are mostly out of baseball. Big money FA contracts don't get guaranteed results like they used too.

Exactly. Buying a 32 year old for top dollar and getting 8 solid seasons just doesn't happen anymore.

[Scrat1]

Let's cling to our mighy top prospects because despite what BOS, MFY, and TOR spend in 2018 FA they're 'll keep us competitive......yeah, that's the ticket. :rolleyestf:

This strikes me as an odd argument in favor of "going for it." You seem to be suggesting that our prospects are not that good, and hanging onto them is going to be pointless considering the resources within the division. OK. If that's the case, then there's no sense in trading them either, because the prospects aren't very good and the return won't be either, so it won't actually help our team this season.

Your argument is a bit of a strawman. No one is arguing about the relative quality of the Baltimore farm system. Most everyone agrees it's not very good. The debate is whether or not making a move will actually improve the team, and if that degree of improvement is worth sacrificing assets for. What you seem to be advocating for is to trade everything away because all will be lost anyways come the 2018 free agency. This isn't really a strategy to building a team; it's nihilism.

[weams]

Most everyone agrees it's not very good. The debate is whether or not making a move will actually improve the team, and if that degree of improvement is worth sacrificing assets for. What you seem to be advocating for is to trade everything away because all will be lost anyways come the 2018 free agency. This isn't really a strategy to building a team; it's nihilism.

[ORIOLE33]

Hey, me and Dempsey think alike. This is practically the same as my "what would you give up to acquire Sale" thread.

[El Gordo]

This strikes me as an odd argument in favor of "going for it." You seem to be suggesting that our prospects are not that good, and hanging onto them is going to be pointless considering the resources within the division. OK. If that's the case, then there's no sense in trading them either, because the prospects aren't very good and the return won't be either, so it won't actually help our team this season.

Your argument is a bit of a strawman. No one is arguing about the relative quality of the Baltimore farm system. Most everyone agrees it's not very good. The debate is whether or not making a move will actually improve the team, and if that degree of improvement is worth sacrificing assets for. What you seem to be advocating for is to trade everything away because all will be lost anyways come the 2018 free agency. This isn't really a strategy to building a team; it's nihilism.

No it's saying trading top prospects for Sale will make a serious difference. Getting Sale would give us a good shot at the WS. A rotation of Sale, Tillman, Gausman, and Gallardo would be more than solid with our offense and pen. And yes, our prospects aren't all that good, without augmenting from FA we wont have an opportunity like this again for some time to come. It's hardly nihilism.