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16 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

How many did he play last year

Who do we have to play OF... Adam Jones and nothing ?  Not a single regular OF'er, Not a single + defender Seth Smith isn't going to hit enough to keep Trumbo from RF and someone like Mancini or Carter or ??? from playing DH

Ummm, yes, Smith will be playing outfield vs. RHP.  I didn't realize that needed to be explained.

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46 minutes ago, Number5 said:

You would be absolutely depending on Alvarez or Rickard succeeding and/or Kim succeeding at playing everyday.  Carter provides zero flexibility.  Trumbo is the better player than Carter, IMO.  Since he hits left-handed, Tavarez can be on the team if Trumbo is, but can't if Carter is.

 

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How about putting Chris Davis in RF, Mancini at first and find a DH?  I feel the amount of money CD is getting he should be willing to be flexible for the sake of the team.  That way we would have our outfielder,have Mancini's bat plus an extra hitter for DH, maybe Carter or P.Alverez.. What about that idea?  I know people are worried about putting CD where he don't want to play, but winning should be more important.  

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13 minutes ago, oriolediehard said:

How about putting Chris Davis in RF, Mancini at first and find a DH?  I feel the amount of money CD is getting he should be willing to be flexible for the sake of the team.  That way we would have our outfielder,have Mancini's bat plus an extra hitter for DH, maybe Carter or P.Alverez.. What about that idea?  I know people are worried about putting CD where he don't want to play, but winning should be more important.  

You could do this every once in awhile but it's not ideal.  Chris Davis was playing GG level defense last year.  We rely on our defense alot.  Mancini might not even be average at 1B.  Mancini will probably struggle vs RHP.  

This team still needs a bat.  Whether that's Trumbo, Carter or Alvarez I don't care.  I'd really like to see us bring in two vets(Reimold, Bourn) to compete with Tavarez for the 5th OF spot and hope one is willing to go to AAA.  

Once we figure out the last big bat I could see DD tinkering with the pitching staff a bit.  Probably signing one of Hunter or Worley to one year deal.  

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11 minutes ago, ArtVanDelay said:

Not really. We had one of the worst defenses in MLB last year. 

FanGraphs had us rated 26th last year and 20th in 2015. 

Not sure what you're looking at.    Looks to me like fangraphs ranks us 19th, still not good but a long way from the worst defenses in baseball (we're at -12.6, worst is -56.4 and there are 7 teams below -30).     

I think what the poster was really getting at is that we rely on our infield defense a lot, and Davis scoops a lot of throws to help our guys look good.    

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2 hours ago, Number5 said:

No.  On the contrary, Trumbo provides some flexibility in the event that any of our wishful thinking for Alvarez, Rickard, or Kim doesn't pan out.  Signing Carter locks us in, do or die.  All of what you outline can happen with Trumbo, plus we would have options should any parts of it fail.

So you are willing to probably pay more than twice for 50 games of poor outfield play from Trumbo?

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34 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Not sure what you're looking at.    Looks to me like fangraphs ranks us 19th, still not good but a long way from the worst defenses in baseball (we're at -12.6, worst is -56.4 and there are 7 teams below -30).     

I think what the poster was really getting at is that we rely on our infield defense a lot, and Davis scoops a lot of throws to help our guys look good.    

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=19,d

That's where I was looking.  I don't know why those numbers don't align with the ones that you posted.  I assumed they'd be the same.

One has us at -12.6 and the other has us at -26.5.

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Just now, Tony-OH said:

So you are willing to probably pay more than twice for 50 games of poor outfield play from Trumbo?

No.  I do, however think it is worth the money now being discussed to acquire the better player and have much better roster flexibility.  I certainly don't want to be painted into a corner and cross my fingers.  Trumbo is being much maligned here.  Not sure why.  If the chief complaint against him is his defense, signing Carter in his stead seems to me to be the opposite of an upgrade.  Sorry, but the logic doesn't appear to make a whole lot of sense to me.

Personally, I thought Saunders was an excellent target.  I'm not privy to whether or not he really did fail an Oriole physical exam, but at this point it doesn't matter, since he is off the table.  Turning the page, I am warming to the prospect of a possible trade for Granderson, if it is actually an option.  Barring that, Trumbo isn't a bad option from what appears to be available.  Carter is a much lower choice in my mind, for the total lack of defensive options he brings, as I alluded to before.

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17 minutes ago, Number5 said:

No.  I do, however think it is worth the money now being discussed to acquire the better player and have much better roster flexibility.  I certainly don't want to be painted into a corner and cross my fingers.  Trumbo is being much maligned here.  Not sure why.  If the chief complaint against him is his defense, signing Carter in his stead seems to me to be the opposite of an upgrade.  Sorry, but the logic doesn't appear to make a whole lot of sense to me.

Personally, I thought Saunders was an excellent target.  I'm not privy to whether or not he really did fail an Oriole physical exam, but at this point it doesn't matter, since he is off the table.  Turning the page, I am warming to the prospect of a possible trade for Granderson, if it is actually an option.  Barring that, Trumbo isn't a bad option from what appears to be available.  Carter is a much lower choice in my mind, for the total lack of defensive options he brings, as I alluded to before.

I'd too rather have the Brach from Granderson trade over all of that honestly.

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17 minutes ago, Number5 said:

No.  I do, however think it is worth the money now being discussed to acquire the better player and have much better roster flexibility.  I certainly don't want to be painted into a corner and cross my fingers.  Trumbo is being much maligned here.  Not sure why.  If the chief complaint against him is his defense, signing Carter in his stead seems to me to be the opposite of an upgrade.  Sorry, but the logic doesn't appear to make a whole lot of sense to me.

Personally, I thought Saunders was an excellent target.  I'm not privy to whether or not he really did fail an Oriole physical exam, but at this point it doesn't matter, since he is off the table.  Turning the page, I am warming to the prospect of a possible trade for Granderson, if it is actually an option.  Barring that, Trumbo isn't a bad option from what appears to be available.  Carter is a much lower choice in my mind, for the total lack of defensive options he brings, as I alluded to before.

Would you prefer Trumbo to Pagan?

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1 hour ago, El Gordo said:

Would you prefer Trumbo to Pagan?

Yes, I would.  I think we have been overrating Pagan.  He's 35 (36 in July) years old, and has established a record of missing quite a bit of time.  The most games played he has turned in in the last four years is 133, with two of those years below 100.  His OPS the last four years have been ,749, .731, .635, and ,750.  The worst OPS year was actually the season with the most games played, so it is difficult to see an improvement as being likely.  He is a switch-hitter, but he really hasn't hit LHP very well at all, so he doesn't help us improve that weakness.  I was surprised to find that his defense isn't all that great either.  He once was a good defender, but his numbers since 2010 just aren't very impressive.  Better than Trumbo, I suppose, but not by nearly as much as you might think.  His recent salary history doesn't make me think that a super cheap deal is likely.  All in all, I think Trumbo and his power brings considerably more to our lineup that what Pagan would bring.

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