June 8th Vs. Toronto

[brvn52]

He made the right decision' date=' Albers pitched terrible[/quote']

I can't really argue with his decision, but I would've let Liz pitch until he allowed a baserunner. I felt that way before Albers gave up any runs, but I don't fault DT for making that decision.

[VivianDarkbloom]

My theory is that 99% of the time, if you're "pinning it" on anybody, then you're harping ;-)

It's completely impossible for DT to do or not-do practically anything without somebody not liking it.

(Not complaining about it: second-guessing the manager is perhaps the largest baseball tradition of all.)

That's fine and all, but I'd really like to know why people think it was the "right" decision, besides the reasons I mentioned and rebutted.

[brvn52]

Way to go BRob! Now steal 2nd and let Kakes hit you in.

[Burg]

Is Guthrie pitching? Just kidding. Even before Albers gave up 2 runs I thought it was a bad decision to get away from Liz. There was no reason to pull him after 5. Obviously a bad move by DT.

Obviously you are judging by hindsight.

Obviously that's not the correct way to judge a decision.

Our BP has been lights out and Liz had thrown 91 pitches.

Albers had a bad day but DT made a reasonable decision.

[LA2]

Luke giveth the lead, and Luke taketh the lead away...

Yep. Corner outfielders don't study playing the wall the way they used to. Example: Yaz had estimating bounces off the Fenway Green Monster down to a science.

[JTrea81]

C'mon Nick be patient and then hammer your pitch!

[EddieO's21]

If Albers had had a 1-2-3 inning, I still would have called it a bad decision, in principle. Why was it the right decision?

A young pitcher who has not fared that great in the minors this season as well as having no wins prior to the twins game and a 6+ ERA in the majors does not need to be in a tight game having thrown 95 pitches.

[RShack]

They just showed the Nick bobblehead again... so I'll ask again...

Don't you think that, by now, they could make bobbleheads that actually look like the guy?

[JTrea81]

Ugh, Markakis was owned by Halladay today...

[blueberryale77]

I was noticing that we seemed to have a lot of players around 8-10 HRs earlier this week. I am surprised, because I have been thinking this offense pretty much sucks.

Go O's!

Our offense doesn't suck, they just hit for low average and all go into slumps at the same time.

[LA2]

I agree with something Blueberry Ale often says: the next batters after Roberts gets on base shd give him a chance to steal, esp. since Nick hasn't looked too good today.

[VivianDarkbloom]

A young pitcher who has not fared that great in the minors this season as well as having no wins prior to the twins game and a 6+ ERA in the majors does not need to be in a tight game having thrown 95 pitches.

91 pitches. And he had retired 7 straight. I guess we'll just have to respectfully disagree.

Roberts is really holding his own with Doc

[brvn52]

Haha. That bobblehead looked more like Moose than Markakis.

[SteveA]

A young pitcher who has not fared that great in the minors this season as well as having no wins prior to the twins game and a 6+ ERA in the majors does not need to be in a tight game having thrown 95 pitches.

And don't forget what we saw in Liz's first start. When things fell apart for him they fell apart FAST. Three really hard hit doubles in a row. I have no problem with the decision. I posted before the bottom of the 6th that they should be extremely careful with Liz, let him start the inning but be ready to yank him at ANY sign. So I can't disagree with bringing in Albers. The guy has had a great season in our pen, eveyrone has an off day.

As for the "don't overuse your bullpen" argument. Well, you HAD to at least have Albers up for that inning with Liz over 90 pitches. So he was going to use a warmup anyway. A good % of bullpen overuse comes from warming up, not just using guys.

[RShack]

That's fine and all, but I'd really like to know why people think it was the "right" decision, besides the reasons I mentioned and rebutted.

Evidently, he thought he got what he could out of Liz, and that Albers was the better bet. It's not like it's a complex equation, it's just a judgment call.

I don't see what's especially rebuttable about that, it just didn't work out, that's all.

ps: I think knowing when to yank a guy is maybe the hardest everyday decision of all. Every time, it involves a whole lot of crystal-ball about 2 different P's.