Jonathan Villar- Our new 2B?

[esmd]

39 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Usually, short range 2nd baseman, aren't able to handle the demands of the "hot corner".

He has greats hands and glove, but he is not going to be able to overcome the range issue, which decreases with age.

 

Maybe, maybe not.  It's really all academic at this point, and I don't see it happening.  I just wouldn't have a problem if it did and the O's could "buy low."

[jamalshw]

8 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Yeah, I hate to say it because it's fun to watch him play, but it's probably going to make sense to trade him if he has a good first half next season.  As he re-establishes his value, I could see him getting the O's a better package than they got for Schoop.    

 

 

I tend to agree. He's not signed long enough to be a realistic option when the team is good again. You might as well move him. Overall, I think I could see Villar having a solid year next year. There's no question 2016 was a career year, but he had a good year in 2015 in Houston (albeit in a limited sampling). He then had a the monster 2016 before falling to earth last year. I don't thing the 117 OPS+ Villar is the real deal, but I do think a .335-.340 OBP bat with speed is real and that has value, probably more so at the deadline when teams start looking forward to building a roster for the postseason and speed plays bigger than it does in the offseason when the metrics are a more important factor.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Redskins Rick said:

De Aza had a decent 2nd half with the team, and then the following year, forgot how to play baseball.

 

Until we traded him in June, at which point he remembered (.636 OPS for us, .809 the rest of the season).

[sportsfan8703]

The stolen bases are refreshing. He has 8 in 25 games for us. He and Mullins are a nice 1-2 punch at the top of the lineup. 

[Aristotelian]

16 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

De Aza had a decent 2nd half with the team, and then the following year, forgot how to play baseball.

 

So did Beckham 2017! ...but Villar's 2016 establishes a higher ceiling than either Beckham or De Aza. I really think he is a solid ballplayer. I just wonder if there is a clubhouse factor that caused Counsell to sour on him.

[bobmc]

16 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

So did Beckham 2017! ...but Villar's 2016 establishes a higher ceiling than either Beckham or De Aza. I really think he is a solid ballplayer. I just wonder if there is a clubhouse factor that caused Counsell to sour on him.

Is this what Aristotle would posit?  

 

[Tx Oriole]

17 hours ago, Ruzious said:

Yeah, I hate to say it because it's fun to watch him play, but it's probably going to make sense to trade him if he has a good first half next season.  As he re-establishes his value, I could see him getting the O's a better package than they got for Schoop.    

 

 

I  hope they can keep him. He's what the O's need. He's young. 

[wildcard]

13 minutes ago, Tx Oriole said:

I  hope they can keep him. He's what the O's need. He's young. 

He is 27.  Same age as Kevin Gausman with the same amount of service time before FA.   2+ years.

[webbrick2010]

Schoop not playing at all in Mil. He really worked himself deep into the dog house quickly

[eddie83]

This guy is fun to watch. He is listed 6-1- I thought looked shorter to me and has almost a football build to him. Good combo and power and speed. 

This trade has turned out great. 

[Moose Milligan]

I like Villar.  Hope that this is really how he is for a whole season.

[Redskins Rick]

16 hours ago, Frobby said:

Until we traded him in June, at which point he remembered (.636 OPS for us, .809 the rest of the season).

Which I never did understand, what the heck happen there.

When he played he, his game was fundamentally flawed.

[Aristotelian]

57 minutes ago, bobmc said:

Is this what Aristotle would posit?  

 

Absolutely, see Nichomachean Ethics Book VIII, 1156b.

[wildbillhiccup]

8 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I like Villar.  Hope that this is really how he is for a whole season.

I have much more faith in Villar's ability to sustain some level of playability then I did with Beckham this time last year. 

[wildbillhiccup]

2 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Absolutely, see Nichomachean Ethics Book VIII, 1156b.

I'm confused. i though Beckham was an Aquarian.