Give Sisco another Chance

[atomic]

 

7 minutes ago, atomic said:

If Sisco keeps playing the way he has been so far he would probably lead the team in WAR after a 100 at bats. 

Among position players that is. 

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

It makes zero sense to not play Sisco at catcher.  He seems to call a good game and he needs to work on catching to get better.  We are not in the playoff hunt so none of the nonsense about Severino being a better catcher. 

I realize that anything that doesn't agree with your narrow views makes "zero sense" but those of us that live in a world of shades of gray realize there is much more to this story.

Severino is still a young catcher as well and is superior defensively in many, many aspects behind the plate. You don't just bury Severino which is why Sisco should get PAs at DH and perhaps some at 1B though doesn't make a lot of sense unless you plan to put Mancini back in RF. 

I have zero problems with Sisco catching as well and although he's a well below average defender, this team is going nowhere so why not let him gain experience.

The most important thing right now is to get him every day PAs against right-handed pitching. That should include a healthy share of DHing when not catching.

[atomic]

17 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I realize that anything that doesn't agree with your narrow views makes "zero sense" but those of us that live in a world of shades of gray realize there is much more to this story.

Severino is still a young catcher as well and is superior defensively in many, many aspects behind the plate. You don't just bury Severino which is why Sisco should get PAs at DH and perhaps some at 1B though doesn't make a lot of sense unless you plan to put Mancini back in RF. 

I have zero problems with Sisco catching as well and although he's a well below average defender, this team is going nowhere so why not let him gain experience.

The most important thing right now is to get him every day PAs against right-handed pitching. That should include a healthy share of DHing when not catching.

Why should he not face left-handed pitching. He destroyed Left handed pitching in Triple A this year.  I get that Severino can't hit right handed pitching but why is this all about him.  He never put up big numbers in the minors. You seem to be stuck on an opinion and don't want to change it given evidence.

You say Severino is a better catcher by far yet I bring up defensive metrics you say they are worthless.  I haven't looked but I bet pitcher ERA is much lower in games Sisco has caught. 

[Tony-OH]

27 minutes ago, atomic said:

Why should he not face left-handed pitching. He destroyed Left handed pitching in Triple A this year.  I get that Severino can't hit right handed pitching but why is this all about him.  He never put up big numbers in the minors. You seem to be stuck on an opinion and don't want to change it given evidence.

You say Severino is a better catcher by far yet I bring up defensive metrics you say they are worthless.  I haven't looked but I bet pitcher ERA is much lower in games Sisco has caught. 

So you want to point out that Severino has never hit before this year but you want to judge Sisco's hitting against lefties on 62 AAA PAs when he's never hit lefties before?

I'm fine if you want to run Sisco out there everyday against lefties as well, but he should not be playing catcher in front of Severino. CERA is flawwed in many ways, but Severino is superior in the throwing game, receiving, framing, and blocking to Sisco. Hell, let's throw tagging in there as well since Sisco seems to think showing the umpire the ball after it falls on the ground while "tagging the guy" with an empty glove will get him an out.

I like what I see when it comes to his bat, but he'll need to keep OPSing .900+ to overcome his defensive shortcomings and with Rutschman in the fold, they might as well start looking for another position for him. 

[ChuckS]

I agree with Tony, that both Sisco and Severino should continue to get every day at bats.  One doesn't need to come at the expense of the other.  They are both young players who have shown some potential and need to be developed. 

We only have a handful of players now on the 25 that really NEED to be getting everyday at bats for developmental and trade value purposes.  They are Mancini, Villar, Santander, Sisco, and Severino.  Their at bats shouldn't come at the expense of each other, but at the expense of everyone else on the roster.  

[atomic]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

So you want to point out that Severino has never hit before this year but you want to judge Sisco's hitting against lefties on 62 AAA PAs when he's never hit lefties before?

I'm fine if you want to run Sisco out there everyday against lefties as well, but he should not be playing catcher in front of Severino. CERA is flawwed in many ways, but Severino is superior in the throwing game, receiving, framing, and blocking to Sisco. Hell, let's throw tagging in there as well since Sisco seems to think showing the umpire the ball after it falls on the ground while "tagging the guy" with an empty glove will get him an out.

I like what I see when it comes to his bat, but he'll need to keep OPSing .900+ to overcome his defensive shortcomings and with Rutschman in the fold, they might as well start looking for another position for him. 

What are the ERA's with both of them catching? I haven't seen a ton of games but to me it looks like Sisco calls a better game.  

Anyway Sisco deserves the opportunity to show whether he can stick at catcher. He should be given the rest of the year to show it.  We are the worst team in the league and we really don't have any other prospects on the team.  If you hit at every level in the minors you should be given an opportunity in the majors as you have earned it.

If he doesn't improve by the end of the season with his shortcomings than you can think about another position. If he is good enough to catch in the majors and hits he will be very easy to trade and get a lot of value in return if and when  Rutschman is ready to replace him.  

I am not sure why Martin and Broxton who are absolutely terrible get to play every frequently. And I don't see Sisco being as bad defensively as Mancini is in the outfield and I don't hear you posting continually how he should be DH only. 

[BohKnowsBmore]

2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

So you want to point out that Severino has never hit before this year but you want to judge Sisco's hitting against lefties on 62 AAA PAs when he's never hit lefties before?

I'm fine if you want to run Sisco out there everyday against lefties as well, but he should not be playing catcher in front of Severino. CERA is flawwed in many ways, but Severino is superior in the throwing game, receiving, framing, and blocking to Sisco. Hell, let's throw tagging in there as well since Sisco seems to think showing the umpire the ball after it falls on the ground while "tagging the guy" with an empty glove will get him an out.

I like what I see when it comes to his bat, but he'll need to keep OPSing .900+ to overcome his defensive shortcomings and with Rutschman in the fold, they might as well start looking for another position for him. 

This.  I love what Sisco is doing right now, but Severino is also doing quite well.  You need two catchers anyway and Severino looks like he might be turning into a piece with some value if he can maintain a .750 OPS and at least average catcher defense.  That's something that a lot of teams may be interested in next year.  Why does it need to be one or the other?  There's room for them both to get PAs, even if neither is catching every day.

[wildbillhiccup]

5 hours ago, Ripken said:

Fixed that up for you.

 

5 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

There is little doubt Sisco needs to be in the lineup against righties right now. Whether that be at C, 1B, or DH, he needs everyday ABs. I'd rather them come at DH for now which means Nunez goes to the bench with Mancini at 1B. Davis should be permanently on the bench...in his house...in Siberia. 

Fixed that for BOTH of you  

And no RedskinRick I'm not wishing that he dies of frostbite. 

[Legend_Of_Joey]

Well, Sisco DID get married this past off season. Maybe he really was worried if the team would get him candlesticks or a place setting.

[atomic]

The pitchers sure seem to pitch a lot better when Sisco is catching than when Serverino is catching.  Even last night Serverino catches for an inning 4 runs. 

[El_Duderino]

27 minutes ago, atomic said:

The pitchers sure seem to pitch a lot better when Sisco is catching than when Serverino is catching.  Even last night Serverino catches for an inning 4 runs. 

Correlation isn’t causation l. Both look fine behind the dish.

[scOtt]

Curiouser and curiouser.

[HowAboutThat]

Well, I’m coming around.

[Frobby]

You’ve got to like the way Sisco’s been swinging the bat heading into the break.    .283/.394/.667 with 6 homers and 17 RBI in 71 PA.    Among the positive developments of 2019, the development of power  in Sisco’s bat ranks right near the top for me.    

[Moose Milligan]

I'm over here waiting for the other shoe to drop.  

Want to see how he handles a slump and how he bounces back.