Turgeon exits

[Sports Guy]

4 minutes ago, Hallas said:

I think that the lack if good classes is on the coach, not the school.  I don't think a school can fall that fast from being a top tier HC destination unless there is some major scandal involved, or unless you can show me that a large number of schools that leapfrogged them have demonstrably been able to overcome the infrastructure gap (e.g. brand new facilities, etc.)  I would call Duke a top job even if both Scheyer amd the coach that follows him bombed and they weren't elite for 20 years, especially if they were still semi decent.  UNC was still a strong enough program to poach a coach from another blue blood after 5+ years of being mediocre.  It was only 2 years ago that they had a pretty good squad that had a chance to make some noise but for covid.

And considering a large percentage of p5 schools are Midwest football-first schools in podunk, I think that being in an urban area with a lot of basketball talent is a relevant advantage.

Yes, UNC did that.  MD isn’t half the program UNC is or even was back then.

 

[Hallas]

39 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes, UNC did that.  MD isn’t half the program UNC is or even was back then.

 

And Maryland doesn't need its next coach to come at the expense of another blue blood. (And no one's about to tie bill self with the MD job.)  Maryland can at least make a serious run at the HC currently at any of the schools ranked from 15-40.  Its possible that some of those coaches will not take the Maryland job for various personal reasons.   But they'd all have more than token interest. I don't think you can say that about Iowa, TT, or even Alabama.

[Sports Guy]

23 minutes ago, Hallas said:

And Maryland doesn't need its next coach to come at the expense of another blue blood. (And no one's about to tie bill self with the MD job.)  Maryland can at least make a serious run at the HC currently at any of the schools ranked from 15-40.  Its possible that some of those coaches will not take the Maryland job for various personal reasons.   But they'd all have more than token interest. I don't think you can say that about Iowa, TT, or even Alabama.

Maybe not but those programs have been as or more successful than MD the last 5ish years (at least TT and Iowa have)

Even if MD would be held in higher regards, which is very possible, they aren’t winning on the recruiting trail or on the court.  
 

That is something the new coach has to overcome.

[Hallas]

30 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Maybe not but those programs have been as or more successful than MD the last 5ish years (at least TT and Iowa have)

Even if MD would be held in higher regards, which is very possible, they aren’t winning on the recruiting trail or on the court.  
 

That is something the new coach has to overcome.

Wow we agree on something, did hell just freeze over? 

[Oriole4Life]

It was time.  I don't have much analysis, I am more of the type of fan who just enjoys watching the games.  It was clear Turgeon wasn't much of an in-game coach.  He had his moments, but his teams never seemed to respond well to him, particularly this year.  I liked the guy, he could just never get the job done, many March flops.  I do wish we had a chance to play with that Jalen Smith/Cowan/Wiggins 2019 team.  That was a pretty good team.

Maryland may not be a top 25 coaching destination anymore, but it isn't far behind.  Top 40 at the very least.  Large fan base, nice facilities, fertile recruiting ground.  I pray they find a good young coach who can bring some energy to the program.

[Sports Guy]

 

[drjohnnyfeva]

On 12/11/2021 at 10:28 AM, Sports Guy said:

 

Well, they weren't booing the team, they were booing Turg.  But what would you expect a "friend" to say?

It was long overdue.  He had a knack of enjoying the ride into the top 25 (when they made it) but then when the team couldn't keep up with the adjustments other teams were making to overcome the improvements, Turg's response was consistently to criticize the players not following the game plan or simply under-performing athletes.  The players had to love that coaching approach.  Good riddance.

[Tony-OH]

21 hours ago, drjohnnyfeva said:

Well, they weren't booing the team, they were booing Turg.  But what would you expect a "friend" to say?

It was long overdue.  He had a knack of enjoying the ride into the top 25 (when they made it) but then when the team couldn't keep up with the adjustments other teams were making to overcome the improvements, Turg's response was consistently to criticize the players not following the game plan or simply under-performing athletes.  The players had to love that coaching approach.  Good riddance.

The second I saw Turgeon dancing around like a school girl when they got the 5th seed i knew his standards were not very high. He had a much longer run then he should have had as a Maryland coach considering his lack of success in the Tourney or really, late in the year when his teams tended to fold up.

He should have been gone years ago, but alas, this MD regime is not exactly known for making the right decisions on coaching with their Football and Basketball teams.

All I know is that I've gone from a "don't miss a game" watcher to "not even sure when they ae playing and don't know 90% of the team" fan.

[Hallas]

10 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

The second I saw Turgeon dancing around like a school girl when they got the 5th seed i knew his standards were not very high. He had a much longer run then he should have had as a Maryland coach considering his lack of success in the Tourney or really, late in the year when his teams tended to fold up.

He should have been gone years ago, but alas, this MD regime is not exactly known for making the right decisions on coaching with their Football and Basketball teams.

All I know is that I've gone from a "don't miss a game" watcher to "not even sure when they ae playing and don't know 90% of the team" fan.

 

I watched this Sunday because the Ravens game was basically unwatchable.  At least we played well.

 

Which season are you talking about? 2018?  2016?  The 2019 late-season slide is on-brand for Turgeon, but it's pretty hard to let him go after COVID cancelled his best team's tourney, and then in 2020 he actually overachieved preseason expectations, again making it hard to let him go.

 

I'm usually pretty late to decide that it's time to can a coach, but I was totally on-board with this.  I know I've propagated the "Well, he's not bad... what if we end up with worse?" narrative in the past.  I just think he was in this super awkward space where he was just a little bit over his head, but he was doing just enough to not get fired.  But we finally caught him trending in the wrong direction, given this team's performance and the upcoming draft classes.

[Sports Guy]

Well, Pearl signed an extension with Auburn.  That’s basically saying no to MD, I would rather be at Auburn. (If MD even reaches out)

[Sports Guy]

Good article here.

 

 

[Hallas]

On 1/31/2022 at 4:32 AM, Sports Guy said:

Good article here.

 

 

This is a really good article.  Thanks for sharing.  I will say that my hopes of Pitino or Pearl were hinged on Pitino wanting a bigger name school to close out his career, and Pearl not coaching his way into an monster extension.  That plus the fact that they were older and had flaws (NCAA violation history) made me think that they could be swayed to move to Maryland for a bit more money and prestige.

[Sports Guy]

I know Pitino has said he wouldn’t leave Iona but he’s the guy I’m going hard after if I’m Maryland.  He makes the most sense.

[OriolesMagic83]

Count me as one of those guys who used to religiously watch MD basketball games and had so little interest in it recently that I didn't even know Turgeon had resigned.   Has Maryland played better since Turgeon resigned?  I know when Turgeon was signed, the thought was that his superior recruiting would make up for his mediocre coaching.  I guess that never happened. 

[Finisher]

On 2/5/2022 at 3:06 PM, Sports Guy said:

I know Pitino has said he wouldn’t leave Iona but he’s the guy I’m going hard after if I’m Maryland.  He makes the most sense.

Yeah Pitino would be my guy. Just throw money at him and realistically that is your best shot at someone who can instantly turn this mess around.

To the guy above, Danny Manning is somehow a worse coach than Turgeon. Like, he's using the same rotation and doing nothing different. Wahab has zero game and they should be starting Reese. I DVR all these games and wind up fast forwarding because it's just unwatchable.