A-Rod facing another suspension?

[Moose Milligan]

But gambling on baseball is ok if it's Shirley Johnson from Severna Park, MD and Jim Hunter is telling us that she gets $1,000 for ever double play by the Orioles or $5,000 for every triple play because she won some state-sponsored lottery.

Exactly!

[Moose Milligan]

It all goes back to the black Sox. They don't want players beholden to gamblers for fear that "point shaving" or outright fixing of games could result. Or for that matter just passing along of useful information like Rose did with his betting patterns.

I understand what it goes back to, however I think it's pretty ridiculous when it comes to something like this....and if you read Landis's statement:

Regardless of the verdict of juries, no player that throws a ball game; no player that undertakes or promises to throw a ball game; no player that sits in a conference with a bunch of crooked players and gamblers where the ways and means of throwing ball games are planned and discussed and does not promptly tell his club about it, will ever play professional baseball. Of course, I don't know that any of these men will apply for reinstatement, but if they do, the above are at least a few of the rules that will be enforced. Just keep in mind that, regardless of the verdict of juries, baseball is competent to protect itself against crooks, both inside and outside the game.

It doesn't say anything about sitting in with gamblers at a poker table.

[Can_of_corn]

From Wiki so use the salt.

Thomas Devyr, Ed Duffy and William Wansley of the New York Mutuals were banned in 1865 for associating with known gamblers.

Eugene Paulette of the Philadelphia Phillies was banned in 1921 for associating with known gamblers.

Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays, both retired and both in no way involved in baseball anymore, were banned in 1983 after they were hired by casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, as greeters and autograph signers. (Kuhn opined that a casino was "no place for a baseball hero and Hall of Famer"; Mantle and Mays were reinstated by Peter Ueberroth in 1985; Mantle died in 1995.)

Of course that is just bans and not suspensions which is assuredly what Arod would be facing. No way to know how many folks were slapped down under the table over the years. (between '43 and '80 no one was banned)

[Moose Milligan]

From Wiki so use the salt.

Thomas Devyr, Ed Duffy and William Wansley of the New York Mutuals were banned in 1865 for associating with known gamblers.

Eugene Paulette of the Philadelphia Phillies was banned in 1921 for associating with known gamblers.

Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays, both retired and both in no way involved in baseball anymore, were banned in 1983 after they were hired by casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, as greeters and autograph signers. (Kuhn opined that a casino was "no place for a baseball hero and Hall of Famer"; Mantle and Mays were reinstated by Peter Ueberroth in 1985; Mantle died in 1995.)

Of course that is just bans and not suspensions which is assuredly what Arod would be facing. No way to know how many folks were slapped down under the table over the years. (between '43 and '80 no one was banned)

Good points, however it doesn't say if those "known gamblers" were gamblers in general or gamblers betting on baseball.

I understand where the anti gambling across the board mentality comes from and I also see where it can be a slippery slope. But where do you draw the line? A 5 dollar bet? What if A-Rod goes and plays low limit poker at some friends house during the offseason?

Gambling doesn't always mean gambling. By definition, winning 10 bucks at a home game IS gambling...but not in the kind of gambling that A-Rod is being associated with here. So where's the line drawn?

[Can_of_corn]

Good points, however it doesn't say if those "known gamblers" were gamblers in general or gamblers betting on baseball.

I understand where the anti gambling across the board mentality comes from and I also see where it can be a slippery slope. But where do you draw the line? A 5 dollar bet? What if A-Rod goes and plays low limit poker at some friends house during the offseason?

Gambling doesn't always mean gambling. By definition, winning 10 bucks at a home game IS gambling...but not in the kind of gambling that A-Rod is being associated with here. So where's the line drawn?

I would think the line would be drawn at professional. If someone makes their living gambling then that is probably someone you should avoid as a player.

For the record I don't have a problem with players and high stakes poker I am just enjoying having the discussion.

Of course if MLB and the MFY tell Arod to stop it, he should stop it.

[Dipper9]

But gambling on baseball is ok if it's Shirley Johnson from Severna Park, MD and Jim Hunter is telling us that she gets $1,000 for ever double play by the Orioles or $5,000 for every triple play because she won some state-sponsored lottery.

Apples and oranges, but you already knew that!

[Dipper9]

It all goes back to the black Sox. They don't want players beholden to gamblers for fear that "point shaving" or outright fixing of games could result. Or for that matter just passing along of useful information like Rose did with his betting patterns.

I would think the Yankees and Red Sox buying every major free agent on the market would be considered "fixing games" as well!

[sangar]

I think the problem with what A-Rod did was not so much that he played poker but that he played poker in an illegal game. Home games are not illegal. If the house rakes the pot or takes a seat collection but is not licensed to do so, it is against the law. It wasn't so much that he was associating with gamblers but that he was associating with illegal gamblers.

[OFFNY]

I would think the Yankees and Red Sox buying every major free agent on the market would be considered "fixing games" as well !

And even with fixed games, neither team won the pennant in 2 of the last 3 years. :laughlol:

[scOtt]

And even with fixed games, neither team won the pennant in 2 of the last 3 years. :laughlol:

OFFNY = Bud Selig?

[OFFNY]

OFFNY = Bud Selig ?

No. Bud Selig is crying his eyes out because the Yankees and the Red Sox have not made it to the World Series in 2 of the last 3 years. OFFNY is thrilled about it.

[scOtt]

No. Bud Selig is crying his eyes out because the Yankees and the Red Sox have not made it to the World Series in 2 of the last 3 years. OFFNY is thrilled about it.

Just messing with you. Without looking... I'll bet they have 5 playoff appearances between them in the last three years.

[OFFNY]

Just messing with you. Without looking ... I'll bet they have 5 playoff appearances between them in the last three years.

4. The Yankees missed the 2008 playoffs, and the Red Sox missed the 2009 playoffs.

[CrimsonTribe]

God forbid ARod becomes beholden to Ben Affleck or Toby McGuire.

[SrMeowMeow]

I dislike A-Rod as much as the next guy but I think this controversy is completely bogus. He's schmoozing with other obscenely rich celebrities. It's not like he's gambling for his life in the Mos Eisley Cantina.