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I have a lot of respect for Joe Maddon. This kind of tells me what Maddon thinks of Silverman. The Rays are in big trouble.

Ex-Rays manager Joe Maddon is looking for a five-year deal in the $25 million range, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

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Ex-Rays manager Joe Maddon is looking for a five-year deal in the $25 million range, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

I guess that article I posted was right. We have GMs and Managers wanting to be paid like players.

5/25 is nuts for a manager.

A GM must be really insecure in his own abilities to think otherwise.

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If they hadn't noticed they wouldn't have nudged him out of the dugout years ago.

Not much of a track record to go on with him. He was the heir apparent. Tim Wallach would have been a better choice, Mattingly had more marquee appeal. That matters here.

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Quite a statement considering the success the team's had under his direction with less than optimal circumstances.

What less than optimal circumstances? They have been one of the more talented teams in baseball during Maddon's time there. I pray our rotation is half as good over the next 8 or 9 years as it was for his 8 or 9 years in Tampa.

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What less than optimal circumstances? They have been one of the more talented teams in baseball during Maddon's time there. I pray our rotation is half as good over the next 8 or 9 years as it was for his 8 or 9 years in Tampa.

One of the two worst stadiums on the league, mercurial at best fan base and low payroll.

Basically everything except talent.

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What less than optimal circumstances? They have been one of the more talented teams in baseball during Maddon's time there. I pray our rotation is half as good over the next 8 or 9 years as it was for his 8 or 9 years in Tampa.

With all the platooning and swapping lineups he juggles. It's mostly pitching I think and he has had it, but it's not ALL pitching.

I won't say you're wrong about Maddon but you're in the vast minority.

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What less than optimal circumstances? They have been one of the more talented teams in baseball during Maddon's time there. I pray our rotation is half as good over the next 8 or 9 years as it was for his 8 or 9 years in Tampa.

You don't think he had anything to do with the development of the players and the environment there? Why do you consider him overrated?

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You don't think he had anything to do with the development of the players and the environment there? Why do you consider him overrated?

I think he over managed. Way too hell bent on showing everyone that he was the smartest guy in the room. I don't want an AL manager that ends up having to have the pitcher bat in the game because he has painted the team in that corner with his moves.

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But are those issues that Maddon had to overcome' date=' or Friedman and company?[/quote']

Both.

I have to think that playing in front of a 10K crowd at home is something that a manager might have to address with his players. I imagine explaining to the rest of the team why Price got traded when the Rays were still technically in the race is something a manager might have to do.

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