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5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I don’t think the bobble would have mattered that much.  He went in standing up.

The idea of it being a single and 3 base error is interesting though.  If the CFer makes the catch, we talk about what a great catch it would have been.  But if he misses it, it’s an error in judgment and therefore Hays should get penalized for it.

Tough call there.  I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the hitter there.  He hit that ball almost 107MPH and while it was a poor decision for the CFer to make, he didn’t touch it and Hays just ran hard.

I think an error should have been recorded on the play.  The outfielder wasn't close to making the play, it was a clear lapse in judgement to even attempt it.  But that is hardly ever called and I'm sure Hays much prefers the HR.

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That’s how long it took Mullins to circle the bases on his triple and the error, by my stopwatch.   My breakdown was: 1B 4.06 2B 7.36 3B 10.83 (Statcast said 11.05, sprint speed 28.8 ft

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Aristotelian Hangout Grand Counsel

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22 minutes ago, bobmc said:

Welp, Diaz hasn't made his entry into O's lore yet but Hays just garnered a place in our hearts.  We are definitely "pesky" as this 2020 SSS suggests.  And @Frobby, how about that steal of home attempt?  

Let's talk about that! I thought that was a fascinating play. Even though it didn't work out, it said a few things about the 2020 O's:

1) Chris Davis, you are on notice. The team has no faith in your ability to get a big hit. You are not special. We will find other ways to score when you are up, even at great risk of losing your bat  (That said, as a result of the play he ended up leading off against a RHP and drew a big walk). 

2) Say what you will about the front office strategy, the players on the field are trying to win.  

3) Even when things don't work, they keep playing.

4) If the players or coaches pick up on something, they have the green light to go for it. Would be interesting to know who saw what and whether this was practiced. 

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Just now, Moshagge3 said:

It's funny that the official scorer who was so generous with Hays gave Chris Davis an error on Jay Bruce's hard grounder. If Bruce had been given credit for a double, he would have hit for the cycle. 

Nah, he never had a triple.

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think an error should have been recorded on the play.  The outfielder wasn't close to making the play, it was a clear lapse in judgement to even attempt it.  But that is hardly ever called and I'm sure Hays much prefers the HR.

I've never seen a play like that called an error.

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9 minutes ago, Number5 said:

I've never seen a play like that called an error.

Diving and missing was not an error. I thought one could have been called either when he slipped getting the throw off or on the infielder missing the cutoff, but it was tough to see from the replay where Hays was on the bases at that point. Seemed like the OF recovered and got to the ball quickly enough to keep it to a triple.

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1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

Diving and missing was not an error. I thought one could have been called either when he slipped getting the throw off or on the infielder missing the cutoff, but it was tough to see from the replay where Hays was on the bases at that point. Seemed like the OF recovered and got to the ball quickly enough to keep it to a triple.

Had Hays slowed down at all coming into and rounding third, I could see a triple and an error being called.  But he didn't slow down until he was almost to the plate and there was obviously no play being made.  HR all the way.

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2 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Diving and missing was not an error. I thought one could have been called either when he slipped getting the throw off or on the infielder missing the cutoff, but it was tough to see from the replay where Hays was on the bases at that point. Seemed like the OF recovered and got to the ball quickly enough to keep it to a triple.

I'm of the mind that if you dive for a ball you have no chance for instead of pulling up and fielding the ball on a bounce it should count as an error.

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I'm of the mind that if you dive for a ball you have no chance for instead of pulling up and fielding the ball on a bounce it should count as an error.

Mental mistakes aren't officially scored as errors.  The physical is scored, not the mental.  Was it foolish?  Yes, but you're just not going to see those plays scored as errors.

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Mental mistakes aren't officially scored as errors.  The physical is scored, not the mental.  Was it foolish?  Yes, but you're just not going to see those plays scored as errors.

Doesn't change the fact that I think it should.  He had no chance at that ball.  That play was all risk no reward. 

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm of the mind that if you dive for a ball you have no chance for instead of pulling up and fielding the ball on a bounce it should count as an error.

It was definitely not a good play! By the current rules/norms regarding error scoring, it was not an Error. Hopefully it got counted as negative dWAR/DRS. 

The popup was an even worse play but was more of a miscommunication than an "error". Still, Segura did call for it and go for it. Again, terrible play, worse than many actual scored Errors, but I guess not an Error as they are defined. 

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