2019 Trade Deadline

[atomic]

36 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Cashner -  The O's are going to have to eat a lot on money to trade Cashner.  But they will because if they don't eat some they will have to pay it all in salary and bonuses the rest of the season.

Signing Bonus - 3m yet to be paid.

Salary - 2.7m remaining as on July 31st.

Performance bonuses:  - Cashner is on pace for 30 starts and 167 IP.  If he keeps that pace he will earn 2.9m in performance bonuses.

That totals 8.6m that the O's have yet to pay Cashner.  

I think the O's would pay the 5.7m in signing bonus and salary to get rid of the performance bonus money if they could get a decent prospect in return.

Mancini -  I think it will take two top 100  prospects for Elias to trade Mancini at the deadline.  He is available but the price is very high because there is no pressure to sell.  He is cheap right now. I think he will stay.

Nunez -  Is on pace for 36 homers and 88 RBI.   Someone might be interested in that offense.  If someone offers as decent two way position prospect or a decent pitching prospect he is gone IMO.  His salary is cheap but the O's have other DH that can take his place.

Villar - Does score runs but is a mess on the bases and in the field.   Pretty much a 2nd division player.  He is available but I don't think the O's find a taker.

Givens and Bundy - Elias would be selling low on these two pitchers.  I don't think he gets the offers that he would accept.

So I think Cashner and maybe Nunez are traded.

 

 

 

 

I see it more likely Villar is traded than Nunez.  Villar can play Short and Second.  If a team has an injury Villar would be a good player to acquire.  Or certainly be better than their utility infielder. 

Nunez, I don't see as having any value.  A DH who has a .797 OPS and a .304 OBP isn't something a team probably doesn't already has.  I think he is the type of player a winning team would DFA.

[Camden_yardbird]

On 7/3/2019 at 10:57 AM, atomic said:

We don't have any sort of crunch.  We can get rid of guys like Ruiz, Nunez, Martin, Broxton, Wilkerson, Smith Jr, 3/4's of our pitching staff.  And bad players not on the 40 man roster don't get claimed in the rule 5 draft. 

Guys like Cedric Mullins, Cody Carroll and Chandler Shepard aren't even in the big leagues and are on the 40 man roster. Those guys won't be on it.

Really I can't imagine having more space on the 40 man than we do. 

 

If that's the case we might as well just do it now.  Release them all.  #freetheroster

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

I see it more likely Villar is traded than Nunez.  Villar can play Short and Second.  If a team has an injury Villar would be a good player to acquire.  Or certainly be better than their utility infielder. 

Nunez, I don't see as having any value.  A DH who has a .797 OPS and a .304 OBP isn't something a team probably doesn't already has.  I think he is the type of player a winning team would DFA.

I agree Villar can play SS and 2nd base.   Its how well he plays those positions that I question. He is not exactly sure handed.   The question is that what contenders want?   Houston didn't.  The Brewers didn't.   He will have about 1.6m left on this years contract in July 31st.  That is not a huge amount for a contender but I just don't know if he measures up to be a playoff kind of player.

[Bubble Buddy]

2 hours ago, atomic said:

I see it more likely Villar is traded than Nunez.  Villar can play Short and Second.  If a team has an injury Villar would be a good player to acquire.  Or certainly be better than their utility infielder. 

Nunez, I don't see as having any value.  A DH who has a .797 OPS and a .304 OBP isn't something a team probably doesn't already has.  I think he is the type of player a winning team would DFA.

I think it's easy to forget that Nunez is still a young player. I know he doesn't have the prospect pedigree and may not get much better than he's showing. But he's just 25 years old in his first full season. Perhaps he could round out his game. 

[atomic]

8 minutes ago, Bubble Buddy said:

I think it's easy to forget that Nunez is still a young player. I know he doesn't have the prospect pedigree and may not get much better than he's showing. But he's just 25 years old in his first full season. Perhaps he could round out his game. 

Contender's aren't looking for  players who could in the future be good at the trade deadline.  That is what rebuilding teams are looking for. 

[Bubble Buddy]

1 minute ago, Bubble Buddy said:

I think it's easy to forget that Nunez is still a young player. I know he doesn't have the prospect pedigree and may not get much better than he's showing. But he's just 25 years old in his first full season. Perhaps he could round out his game. 

You can include Ruiz and Alberto in this too. It's likely that none of them become great or even good players. But they are all pretty young age and experience wise and I don't think they've been too bad. 

[Bubble Buddy]

2 minutes ago, atomic said:

Contender's aren't looking for  players who could in the future be good at the trade deadline.  That is what rebuilding teams are looking for. 

I guess I'm arguing a different point (probably not quite fir for this thread) and providing a different angle to yours. I think we should hang onto him because maybe he could improve. Which is also me saying to not trade him. So I agree that he wouldn't have a lot of value as is and probably has more value for us to wait it out with him. 

[wildcard]

Yes, Nunez is young and cheap enough to keep.  But if someone needs a bat for the pennant race and will give Elias a A+ or AA player that projects to be better offensive and defensively or is a good pitching prospect,  I think Elias takes that deal.

Whether that deal is out there is another question.  Nunez/ as of now. is just a bat.

[ScGO's]

Cashner - Eat some salary and get a Top 30 Organizational prospect or 2

Villar - Trade for cash, PTBNL, or intl signing money.

Mancini - I don't see much of a market.  An injury might on a contender might create a market, but I think a lot of teams want to see how he finishes 2019 to determine his real value.  If he finishes 2019 with strong numbers I would think his trade value would be way up this offseason and more likely to be deal then.

Givens - Pitching much better of late. Good K numbers.  Limiting hits.  Been phenomenal away from Camden Yards.  I do believe there is a market for him.  I think he gets traded as he would be a good 7th inning guy for a contender.  Two or three top 30 organizational prospects should do it.

Bundy -  I don't see a market for him as he is average at best right now.  Personally, I would move him to closer next season if we do move Givens along.  See if you can reestablish some trade value that way while potentially improving the back end of the bullpen.  This could lead to an uptick in velo and compliment his already decent K numbers.

 

[tntoriole]

4 hours ago, ScGO's said:

Cashner - Eat some salary and get a Top 30 Organizational prospect or 2

Villar - Trade for cash, PTBNL, or intl signing money.

Mancini - I don't see much of a market.  An injury might on a contender might create a market, but I think a lot of teams want to see how he finishes 2019 to determine his real value.  If he finishes 2019 with strong numbers I would think his trade value would be way up this offseason and more likely to be deal then.

Givens - Pitching much better of late. Good K numbers.  Limiting hits.  Been phenomenal away from Camden Yards.  I do believe there is a market for him.  I think he gets traded as he would be a good 7th inning guy for a contender.  Two or three top 30 organizational prospects should do it.

Bundy -  I don't see a market for him as he is average at best right now.  Personally, I would move him to closer next season if we do move Givens along.  See if you can reestablish some trade value that way while potentially improving the back end of the bullpen.  This could lead to an uptick in velo and compliment his already decent K numbers.

 

I do not think there is any uptick in velo waiting on Dylan Bundy or he would have shown it...and he is not closer material at all imho.  His HR rate is 1.7 per nine innings...most closers are half that or better...yes, his K rate is 9/9 innings but someone, say like Chapman is 14.9 ...even Givens is 13/9 innings.   And he still walks way too many because he has no out pitch.   He is a back end starter and that is what he is, imho. 

 

 

[Roll Tide]

4 hours ago, ScGO's said:

Cashner - Eat some salary and get a Top 30 Organizational prospect or 2

Villar - Trade for cash, PTBNL, or intl signing money.

Mancini - I don't see much of a market.  An injury might on a contender might create a market, but I think a lot of teams want to see how he finishes 2019 to determine his real value.  If he finishes 2019 with strong numbers I would think his trade value would be way up this offseason and more likely to be deal then.

Givens - Pitching much better of late. Good K numbers.  Limiting hits.  Been phenomenal away from Camden Yards.  I do believe there is a market for him.  I think he gets traded as he would be a good 7th inning guy for a contender.  Two or three top 30 organizational prospects should do it.

Bundy -  I don't see a market for him as he is average at best right now.  Personally, I would move him to closer next season if we do move Givens along.  See if you can reestablish some trade value that way while potentially improving the back end of the bullpen.  This could lead to an uptick in velo and compliment his already decent K numbers.

 

In your scenario I would just keep Villar. I think you are really undervaluing him!

[theocean]

4 hours ago, ScGO's said:

Cashner - Eat some salary and get a Top 30 Organizational prospect or 2

Villar - Trade for cash, PTBNL, or intl signing money.

Mancini - I don't see much of a market.  An injury might on a contender might create a market, but I think a lot of teams want to see how he finishes 2019 to determine his real value.  If he finishes 2019 with strong numbers I would think his trade value would be way up this offseason and more likely to be deal then.

Givens - Pitching much better of late. Good K numbers.  Limiting hits.  Been phenomenal away from Camden Yards.  I do believe there is a market for him.  I think he gets traded as he would be a good 7th inning guy for a contender.  Two or three top 30 organizational prospects should do it.

Bundy -  I don't see a market for him as he is average at best right now.  Personally, I would move him to closer next season if we do move Givens along.  See if you can reestablish some trade value that way while potentially improving the back end of the bullpen.  This could lead to an uptick in velo and compliment his already decent K numbers.

 

If the O's eat some salary, I think we could all be quite surprised by what the O's could get for Cashner. Bumgarner and Stroman will likely be the big names - but Cashner could bring back something decent from a team who misses out on those two.

I can't see much of a market for Villar. He maybe gets traded for slot money if the O's don't play to pay him in arbitration next year. I can't see a team offering much for Bundy.

Mancini is obviously a good player, but I can't really see a team giving up much for him - just because there are so many players like him.

Givens is a question mark, I think it depends on how he pitches the rest of the month. But, the market is pretty flooded for relief pitchers this deadline: Will Smith, Tony Watson, Jake Diekman, Ken Giles, Sam Dyson, Shane Green, Alex Colome.

 

 

 

[Roll Tide]

43 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

I do not think there is any uptick in velo waiting on Dylan Bundy or he would have shown it...and he is not closer material at all imho.  His HR rate is 1.7 per nine innings...most closers are half that or better...yes, his K rate is 9/9 innings but someone, say like Chapman is 14.9 ...even Givens is 13/9 innings.   And he still walks way too many because he has no out pitch.   He is a back end starter and that is what he is, imho. 

 

 

Yeah, I think Bundy is a 4th starter. Which certainly has value to a team needing a backend starter. What does that get you at the deadline.

[Yossarian]

What did the O's get out of last season's fire sale?  A wounded Yusniel Diaz that is underperforming this year and............. what?

[Roll Tide]

58 minutes ago, Yossarian said:

What did the O's get out of last season's fire sale?  A wounded Yusniel Diaz that is underperforming this year and............. what?

Different decision maker. Haven’t you been paying attention? Plus it’s not a fire sale.