Extending Home Grown vs FA

[theocean]

4 minutes ago, TradeAngelos said:

Angelos was essentially forced to carry a higher payroll for a (very few) years because we just happened to have a bunch of good payers that happened to be all up for arb and kept getting raises. It wasn't by design, it is the LAST thing he wants to do but it isn't like you can non tender good young players producing. Throw in one 17m AAV deal to bring back a fan favorite and all of the sudden he is being called a free spender! LMAO Back to reality. You suckers will fall for it every time. He plays the fans like a fiddle and most are more than willing to "believe". Show me a single 85 yr old man who has ever changed his stripes. He is the same pathetic horrible owner he has always been, as cheap as possible unless he is getting his arm twisted in some way. But he will always regain the upper hand. It is what he does. 

You want the truth about what he is? Manny Machado. Jonathan Schoop. That is what he is. And always will be. 

 

 

 

This sounds like a Nestor Aparicio ramble. The O's had a payroll of $182 million last year and 9th overall, according to spotrac. They spent as much as the Cubs. Angelos isn't cheap. He just doesn't spend money as wisely as other owners.

Angelos is against rebuilds because he feels like fans deserve to see a decent team every year. That obviously failed and resulted in fourteen losing seasons by trying to put together teams with Miguel Tejada, Javy Lopez, and Rafael Palmiero - but you can't say the man doesn't care.

He's the same guy who donated money anonymously to keep Baltimore City pools open. Complain about how the organization isn't run well from a baseball perspective - but it is nonsensical to complain about Angelos being cheap or not caring about the community. 

[Satyr3206]

The Front Office either has no clue or their hands are tied. As a long time Oriole fan I can figure it out. Until we get a new Owner nothing will change. It's that simple.

[Satyr3206]

18 minutes ago, theocean said:

This sounds like a Nestor Aparicio ramble. The O's had a payroll of $182 million last year and 9th overall, according to spotrac. They spent as much as the Cubs. Angelos isn't cheap. He just doesn't spend money as wisely as other owners.

Angelos is against rebuilds because he feels like fans deserve to see a decent team every year. That obviously failed and resulted in fourteen losing seasons by trying to put together teams with Miguel Tejada, Javy Lopez, and Rafael Palmiero - but you can't say the man doesn't care.

He's the same guy who donated money anonymously to keep Baltimore City pools open. Complain about how the organization isn't run well from a baseball perspective - but it is nonsensical to complain about Angelos being cheap or not caring about the community. 

He spends, like a drunk sailor. No rhyme, no reason. Decent Team? Look at the years he has Owned the team and the results. Enough said.

[Satyr3206]

Btw, I don't root for the Orioles to keep pools open, or do anything else but win baseball games.

[Dark Helmet]

See Miami. Ownership instantly started trading the money makers. A team without alot of commited salary obligations is attractive to a potential buyer. Not only do you not have alot of salary, it gives a potential owner more of a clean slate to work with. 

A new owner would probably want his own GM and manager. Maybe Pete is setting things up for a sale.

Wishful thinking probably 

[Tx Oriole]

7 hours ago, Babypowder said:

Not signing Chris Davis, not re-signing Mark Trumbo, trading Manny Machado, trading Zach Britton all would have been pretty effective strategies for cutting payroll.

I agree.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

See Miami. Ownership instantly started trading the money makers. A team without alot of commited salary obligations is attractive to a potential buyer. Not only do you not have alot of salary, it gives a potential owner more of a clean slate to work with. 

A new owner would probably want his own GM and manager. Maybe Pete is setting things up for a sale.

Wishful thinking probably 

Or it could be that Peter was spending the MLBam money and know he knows no more in incoming.

[Tx Oriole]

3 hours ago, maybenxtyr said:

They could not have sent Britton packing after his injury this off season. Before they offered him a contract they could, but they showed no signs of wanting to do that.

Didnt Angelos put the kabash on trading Britton at the deadline last year? 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Tx Oriole said:

Didnt Angelos put the kabash on trading Britton at the deadline last year? 

That is the rumor.

[Tx Oriole]

1 hour ago, Satyr3206 said:

The Front Office either has no clue or their hands are tied. As a long time Oriole fan I can figure it out. Until we get a new Owner nothing will change. It's that simple.

Getting new ownership is not simple. When Peter retires or passes away then the ownership goes to his sons doesn't it? 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Tx Oriole said:

Getting new ownership is not simple. When Peter retires or passes away then the ownership goes to his sons doesn't it? 

We have no idea how his estate is set up.

[weams]

29 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

We have no idea how his estate is set up.

We also have no idea if MLB would approve their ownership under the terms that would be in place. 

[oriolediehard]

Does anyone think everything went downhill since DD was prevented the Blue Jay job?  Is it possible DD revenge against PA.  Why didn't PA fire him ASAP then?

[Luke-OH]

1 hour ago, oriolediehard said:

Does anyone think everything went downhill since DD was prevented the Blue Jay job?  Is it possible DD revenge against PA.  Why didn't PA fire him ASAP then?

Anything is possible, but I highly doubt that is happening. Much more likely is that PA trusted him less after that situation, so he now has less authority. That's just me speculating, but it seems far more likely than DD sabotaging his future career options.

[Chavez Ravine]

I am not sure if this is relevant to any of this, but I stumbled upon this NYT article from 1998 "breaking the news" that Latin America was a vast underutilized pool of inexpensive baseball talent.  Baltimore gets noted twice as being at the front of the charge:

https://nyti.ms/2BB5ADB

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And the Baltimore Orioles, in a move of strategy and symbolism, have shifted several scouts from New England to the Dominican Republic and Venezuela.

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The dividends of such wholesale signings can be striking. A year ago the Baltimore Orioles had seven young Dominican players on their 40-man roster who cost them a total of $7,000 to sign. One pitcher, Armando Benitez, could be the team's No. 1 reliever this year.