Orioles looking to trade Means?

[forphase1]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

You can’t just keep playing for high picks.  The purpose of sports is to win, not draft high every year.

Of course not.  We need to put a contending team on the field ASAP.  I HATE having high draft picks, as that means we were not competitive.  But I want to see a contending, competitive team, not simply one that sucks a little less.  Until we reach the point of having the young nucleus of talent to be a contender, then continue adding top talent to the system with high draft picks.  I'd hoped we would be there at this point, but enough to the good talent isn't MLB ready yet.  

[Tony-OH]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

Why wouldn’t he want to pitch here if he gets paid enough?  That’s what it would boil down to.

He has already proven the height stigma to be a non issue for him, so I think that’s something we can throw out the window.

His walk rate is very good, he misses bats, gets a lot of ground balls, keeps the ball in the park at a good enough rate.  
 

He’s not great but he’s solid.  He’s a guy I that I would expect to average about 2.5 WAR through the life of the deal..so about 10 WAR the next 4 years.  Not “worth” 25M a year on average but close and good enough for a FA deal.

Plus, I think him being a vet guy is important and his teammates have always liked him.  He’s a cerebral guy and he has been very durable over his career.

There's a lot more starting pitching free agents next year and I'd a rather use this year to see what we have in house. It's time to fully evaluate:

Lowther
T. Wells
Akin
Kremer
Bradish
Baumann
A. Wells
Zimmermann

In 2023, we will have a better idea which role if any these guys have in the major leagues, Grayson Rodriguez will be in the rotation, and hopefully DL Hall is close. Maybe even Rom. 

2023 would be when I'd be more open to signing a starting pitcher to a 4-year deal. 

[waroriole]

20 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's cheap.

Not Acuna cheap, but cheap.

I’d wanna see the yearly breakdown, but assume 8/12/16 for arbitration years, and add another 7 million for the first 3 years, that’s about 30M/year for 6 FA years. That’s pricey for a guy with his experience. 

[Porky]

18 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Gotta see his first year in the big leagues and then you have to be careful with catchers breaking down around 30. Under the current CBA, Rutschman won't be eligible for free agency until he's 30 years old. At that point, the Orioles should be annual contenders and should have the finances to resign him if he's still good. 

Completely agree. There's a big difference between signing a 20-year-old shortstop and a 23-year-old catcher to a big extension.

J.T. Realmuto got a 5/$115.5m contract to start his age-30 season. While the hopes for Adley's career might be higher, Realmuto's contract isn't exactly earth-shattering for one of the best players at his position.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, waroriole said:

I’d wanna see the yearly breakdown, but assume 8/12/16 for arbitration years, and add another 7 million for the first 3 years, that’s about 30M/year for 6 FA years. That’s pricey for a guy with his experience. 

I'm expecting salary inflation over the length of the contract.

[SCJeff]

I think you have to listen to any offer that comes across the table. Doesn't mean you are actively shopping him, but you also can't turn down a deal that is too good to pass up. If Means brings you back 2 Topp 100 starting pitching prospects that are close to major league ready, and another lottery ticket further down the road, THEN you can have an actual discussion about moving him.

Same goes for Mullins and Sulser. 

[sportsfan8703]

Will Means ever pitch in a “meaningful” game for us. Likely not. And if we don’t trade him with that thought in mind, he could be looking at shoulder surgery and then we get nothing. I say mitigate the risk and deal him away. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, SCJeff said:

I think you have to listen to any offer that comes across the table. Doesn't mean you are actively shopping him, but you also can't turn down a deal that is too good to pass up. If Means brings you back 2 Topp 100 starting pitching prospects that are close to major league ready, and another lottery ticket further down the road, THEN you can have an actual discussion about moving him.

Same goes for Mullins and Sulser. 

Sure, I don't think anyone is suggesting you don't listen to offers.  But being willing to listen to offers wouldn't be phrased as "Dangling".  Frobby doesn't want to read too much into the reporters choice of word but I don't think Olney uses that word if Means isn't being actively shopped.

[waroriole]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm expecting salary inflation over the length of the contract.

The good thing is that most of his FA years will be while he’s in his prime. It’s a risky contract, but not necessarily a bad risk. 

[OriolesMagic83]

Target for competing will be 2024.  Might as well field offers for Adley by the end of the year.  At least the O's will have the best farm team,  Isn;t that the goal?

[sportsfan8703]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Sure, I don't think anyone is suggesting you don't listen to offers.  But being willing to listen to offers wouldn't be phrased as "Dangling".  Frobby doesn't want to read too much into the reporters choice of word but I don't think Olney uses that word if Means isn't being actively shopped.

Very true. This isn’t Olney’s first rodeo. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, waroriole said:

The good thing is that most of his FA years will be while he’s in his prime. It’s a risky contract, but not necessarily a bad risk. 

I think it's very unlikely that Tampa let's him hit 10/5 status.

[sportsfan8703]

1 minute ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Target for competing will be 2024.  Might as well field offers for Adley by the end of the year.  At least the O's will have the best farm team,  Isn;t that the goal?

Or we could give Colby Rasmus 8 million. I hear he’s out there. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Or we could give Colby Rasmus 8 million. I hear he’s out there. 

Pretty good chance you get a partial refund if he quits part the way through the season.

[OriolesMagic83]

Just now, sportsfan8703 said:

Or we could give Colby Rasmus 8 million. I hear he’s out there. 

Too much money, who's available for $1 million.  It's becoming obvious that the Angelos brothers can't afford to field a competitive major league team.  I would like to believe otherwise, but there's a mountain of evidence supporting it.