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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

But you would bet it on a subpar pitcher with very little history of being good or throwing a lot of innings?  
 

That doesn’t make any sense. You are flushing money down the toilet here because he was an AS last year.  That’s it, that’s the only reason.  You aren’t making the team better by adding him.

 

Hey I am all for better.  Go get Cease.  Think Elias will?

Lorenzen has 4.24 ERA and 4.06 ERA as a starter the last two years.   Show me someone better that the O's will acquire.

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Irvin ERA

2021   Oakland Park - 3.90,   Away   4.57

2022  Oakland Park -3.07.   Away   5.26

He is not pitching in Oakland Park more that once as season now.

Oriole Park is a pitcher-friendly ballpark. 

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Hey I am all for better.  Go get Cease.  Think Elias will?

Lorenzen has 4.24 ERA and 4.06 ERA as a starter the last two years.   Show me someone better that the O's will acquire.

Well they already have guys who are better or as good and others who have a far higher upside. 

But there are plenty of starters out there.  And stop pretending this has anything to do with Elias. You like to do that but at the end of the day, you want this to be a move. You are advocating for this move because you think he’s good and makes us better.

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6 minutes ago, btdart20 said:

Fuji redux.  The 1 percentile BB% is his kryptonite.  But that 96 MPH CH is something else!

 

Oh, I'm aware! I've been a bit enamored with him ever since he was called up in 2022 and had that 9 K game @ COL in his first start. 

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Well they already have guys who are better or as good and others who have a far higher upside. 

But there are plenty of starters out there.  And stop pretending this has anything to do with Elias. You like to do that but at the end of the day, you want this to be a move. You are advocating for this move because you think he’s good and makes us better.

Its the best move I see right now that I think Elias might do.  Doesn't mean he will.  I just don't see him trading away 6 years of as many top prospects as it going to take to get the #3 starters.

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3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

In left field.  Right is kind of short.

Smallish sample, but just to add to the discussion here are Irvin's home/away splits last year:

Home: 178 PA, .732 OPS (.395 SLG)
Away: 158 PA, .737 OPS (.446 SLG)

Overall, I'm not really worried about him pitching in Camden Yards. Helps that he's a lefty. We have much better defense than Oakland ever had, too. 

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2 minutes ago, interloper said:

Smallish sample, but just to add to the discussion here are Irvin's home/away splits last year:

Home: 178 PA, .732 OPS (.395 SLG)
Away: 158 PA, .737 OPS (.446 SLG)

Overall, I'm not really worried about him pitching in Camden Yards. Helps that he's a lefty. We have much better defense than Oakland ever had, too. 

Good post.  Thanks.   I need to build confidence in Irvin.

So would you be good with giving Irvin 25 starts in 2024?

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Good post.  Thanks.   I need to build confidence in Irvin.

So would you be good with giving Irvin 25 starts in 2024?

Well I'd certainly prefer to not have to, but I like his innings-eating upside more than someone like Lorenzen. I think today I have kind of rekindled my interest in Cole Irvin after reminding myself of his ML numbers and his solid showing after getting recalled from Norfolk last year. He's kind of a forgotten guy, but 180 inning seasons don't grow on trees. 

I'd rather the Orioles find a trade partner for someone with a lot more upside than Irvin, but I like that we have Irvin just in case. 

I think instead of Irvin vs. Lorenzen, a more interesting comparison is Irvin vs. Ryu. The question is Ryu's health, obviously. But higher upside than either Irvin or Lorenzen. 

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Well I'd certainly prefer to not have to, but I like his innings-eating upside more than someone like Lorenzen. I think today I have kind of rekindled my interest in Cole Irvin after reminding myself of his ML numbers and his solid showing after getting recalled from Norfolk last year. He's kind of a forgotten guy, but 180 inning seasons don't grow on trees. 

I'd rather the Orioles find a trade partner for someone with a lot more upside than Irvin, but I like that we have Irvin just in case. 

I think instead of Irvin vs. Lorenzen, a more interesting comparison is Irvin vs. Ryu. The question is Ryu's health, obviously. But higher upside than either Irvin or Lorenzen. 

I'm with you.   You and Tony have helped me reconsider Irvin.  Maybe Elias does have faith in him.  

I would still have Wells start the season in the rotation.  Then in the 2nd half or when Means needs a rest Irvin could start.

O's still need some rotation depth. But they probably don't spend 10m to get it.

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If we don't trade for a starter by Opening Day, mapping out 162 its probably fair to plan 10 starts from whoever the Jack Flaherty Character of 2024 (hopefully someone much much better) is in July.

If Means does exhibit top form or Povich is who some think he is, maybe you aim the trade pieces at David Bednar or Tanner Scott instead.

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4 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

This is just a hunch, but I feel like the Marlins might have started to sour on Cabrera a bit, which might allow us to get him for a bit of a discount. If they're looking for a bat to replace Soler then something like Mountcastle + a lower level prospect might make sense for both clubs. 

If they can get For Mounty Plus lower level prospect great I think  it takes more. Big time power arm that could slot into BP, backup starter< could allow Wells Hall as potential starters, Max Meyer fits the same roll. So many options for Elias, That's why I love this sight. Every time I come here ,I'M reminded how good we are.

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7 hours ago, btdart20 said:

Fuji redux.  The 1 percentile BB% is his kryptonite.  But that 96 MPH CH is something else

 

As a fan I would be miserable watching this.  So frustrating to watch.

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