Orioles 2005 Top 25 Prospects

[Tony-OH]

1-10

11-25

Nick Markakis finally made it to #1, so we got that right! As a side note, I was still in Hawaii when I did this one so this is mostly based of statistical analysis and my conversations with industry scouts and player personnel.

[Frobby]

9 of the top 10 made it to the majors, with three (Markakis, Reimold and Johnson) having decent careers.  This may be the list where I got pissed off that Fiorentino wasn’t in the top 10 while Liz was no. 6.   Earned my first negative rep point with my comments!   

Edited December 15, 2023 by Frobby

[Frobby]

Fiorentino: 58 major league games, 0.7 rWAR.

Penn: 33 games, -3.3 rWAR

Olson: 104 games, -2.7 rWAR

Snyder: 122 games, -0.1 rWAR

Liz: 42 games, -1.8 rWAR

Erbe: never reached the majors 

Majewski: 14 games, -0.1 rWAR

Loewen: 77 games, -0.3 rWAR

I’m taking my outrage that Fio wasn’t listed in the top 10 to my grave!  

 

 

 

[baltfan]

39 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Fiorentino: 58 major league games, 0.7 rWAR.

Penn: 33 games, -3.3 rWAR

Olson: 104 games, -2.7 rWAR

Snyder: 122 games, -0.1 rWAR

Liz: 42 games, -1.8 rWAR

Erbe: never reached the majors 

Majewski: 14 games, -0.1 rWAR

Loewen: 77 games, -0.3 rWAR

I’m taking my outrage that Fio wasn’t listed in the top 10 to my grave!  

 

 

 

Half of Fiorintino’s WAR likely came in that first series. 

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, baltfan said:

Half of Fiorintino’s WAR likely came in that first series. 

No doubt.  

[interloper]

5 hours ago, Frobby said:

Fiorentino: 58 major league games, 0.7 rWAR.

Penn: 33 games, -3.3 rWAR

Olson: 104 games, -2.7 rWAR

Snyder: 122 games, -0.1 rWAR

Liz: 42 games, -1.8 rWAR

Erbe: never reached the majors 

Majewski: 14 games, -0.1 rWAR

Loewen: 77 games, -0.3 rWAR

I’m taking my outrage that Fio wasn’t listed in the top 10 to my grave!  

 

 

 

God... Hayden Penn. There's a blast from the past.

[Tony-OH]

15 hours ago, Frobby said:

Fiorentino: 58 major league games, 0.7 rWAR.

Penn: 33 games, -3.3 rWAR

Olson: 104 games, -2.7 rWAR

Snyder: 122 games, -0.1 rWAR

Liz: 42 games, -1.8 rWAR

Erbe: never reached the majors 

Majewski: 14 games, -0.1 rWAR

Loewen: 77 games, -0.3 rWAR

I’m taking my outrage that Fio wasn’t listed in the top 10 to my grave!  

 

 

 

I know you are only half being serious here, but I'd definitely argue Snyder, Loewen and even Scott Rice better major league careers than Fiorentino because they lasted longer. It's kinda like saying a guy with negative WAR, but a major league career was worse than a guy who never made it. Even being a below replacement player level is better than not making it or only making it for a few games.

But, saying that, here's the real Top 10 based purely off WAR: (Note: Minimum of 45 innings pitched, or 150 PAs)

1. Nick Markakis: 33.6 in 9321 PAs
2. Jim Johnson: 8.3 in 704.2 IP over 674 games
3. David Hernandez: 4.7 in 648.2 IP over 547 games
4. John Maine: 4.0 in 593 IP over 112 games
5. Brad Bergeson: 2.9 in 424 IP over 102 games
6. Nolan Reimold: 2.8 in 1556 PAs
7. Chris Britton: 1.3 in 89.1 IP over 78 games
8. Jeff Fioentino: 0.7 in 173 PAs
9. Sendy Rleal: 0.3 in 46.2 IP over 42 games
10t. Brandon Snyder: -0.1 in 211 PAs
10t. Scott Rice: -0.1 in 64.2 IP over 105 games

So there, you are vindicated!


 

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I know you are only half being serious here, but I'd definitely argue Snyder, Loewen and even Scott Rice better major league careers than Fiorentino because they lasted longer. 
 

And in all seriousness, I see the merit of that argument.  And of course, injuries factor into which prospects turn into good major leaguers.  Snyder had a major shoulder injury that ended his career as a catcher, and he just didn’t hit enough for 1B.   Loewen also had multiple arm/elbow injuries that derailed him.  They were clearly better prospects than Fio.

From your list, Markakis compiled more WAR in his career than everyone else in our system combined.   

 

 

[Sports Guy]

Tony is feeling very nostalgic lately.

 

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Tony is feeling very nostalgic lately.

 

I’m loving it!  Some of these names are a real blast from the past.  

[Tony-OH]

8 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Tony is feeling very nostalgic lately.

 

Ha, it's the offseason and I'm enjoying going through the wayback machine. 

[Sports Guy]

2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Ha, it's the offseason and I'm enjoying going through the wayback machine. 

Actually I find it to be interesting with the idea of what they used to be and what they are now.  I think it’s interesting to compare them.

 

But it’s also interesting to look back and see that even when they were crappy, they still had some talent that they produced.

[Three Run Homer]

This is a hard list to look at because it brings back memories of a really dark time to be an Orioles fan, right in the middle of the 15 year drought.   I know that There Is No Such Thing As a Pitching Prospect, but it does seem like we had an unusual number of highly regarded pitching prospects in those days who never panned out in the major leagues (Matt Riley, Hayden Penn, Garrett Olson, Daniel Cabrera, John Maine, Adam Loewen...)