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6 minutes ago, Ripken said:

There isn't.  I really don't get this one.

Elias basically said he’s done with anything significant but posters keep bringing names up.  Tanner Scott, J.D. Martinez, Cease, Montgomery, Snell, etc.

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Another deal with the Tigers.  Same as Nevin.  Will be waived and if not claimed go to Norfolk.   If Holliday makes the team Norfolk needs a SS.

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30 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Elias basically said he’s done with anything significant but posters keep bringing names up.  Tanner Scott, J.D. Martinez, Cease, Montgomery, Snell, etc.

In my defense, Tanner Scott is a much more realistic target than JD Martinez or Blake Snell.

I do mostly take Elias at his word to not expect any other big moves, but he will be opportunisitc and if something makes sense he's going to do it. I agree that it's not likely, though. 

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2 minutes ago, interloper said:

In my defense, Tanner Scott is a much more realistic target than JD Martinez or Blake Snell.

I do mostly take Elias at his word to not expect any other big moves, but he will be opportunisitc and if something makes sense he's going to do it. I agree that it's not likely, though. 

How can a trade target that may not even be available be more realistic than players that only cost money to get a deal done? 

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How can a trade target that may not even be available be more realistic than players that only cost money to get a deal done? 

In this specific case, it's because the players that cost money either aren't a good fit (Martinez, because we don't need a RH DH with Mountcastle here and Mayo on the way and Santander being a SH) or they are obviously the tier of free agent that we won't be approaching (Snell, Montgomery). 

It's much more likely that we trade for a bullpen arm, Scott or otherwise, than sign any of the remaining big name free agents. Are you new to the Orioles? We don't sign these guys. 

Elias has still yet to sign a free agent to more than 1 year. He has maxed out at $13 million with Kimbrel. He has made a lot of trades. How is it not more likely he makes a trade than signs a notable free agent? 

I think it's MOST likely we do neither though. 

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2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I think there are multiple scenarios where JD makes sense but things would have to happen and/or they don’t intend to get Mayo up here until late in the year.

I would call him more realistic than Scott right now.

 

Yeah but we also had a 300 page thread for Cease where nobody thought we even had a shot for Burnes. We’re all just making our best guesses, and Elias is allowed to change his mind. 

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2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I think there are multiple scenarios where JD makes sense but things would have to happen and/or they don’t intend to get Mayo up here until late in the year.

I would call him more realistic than Scott right now.

 

I'm not sure I agree with that. I don't think either is realistic (to be clear) and it's probably not even worth me commenting, but lets face it: it's the boring time where we are pretty sure the Orioles are finished with anything of any importance, but we are waiting for the "best shape of his life" reports after the first days of spring. 

That said, I really don't see a fit for JD at all without moves. You mention Mayo, but even without him, JD is limited to DH with (perhaps) a rare exception. We know Adley will be getting some starts at DH, mostly against LHP. But the spot primarily belongs to O'Hearn vs. RHP. While I expect a regression from O'Hearn and, consequently, him losing ABs, we also have a backlog of guys needing ABs. Kjerstad could certainly get some ABs at DH. Cowser could play OF while Santander gets a partial day. Same with Henderson getting a partial day, but keeping his bat in the order while Mateo is at SS. I just don't think there are ABs to be had at the DH spot without a couple moves...and that's before factoring Mayo into the situation. Obviously, injuries happen and that could open ABs for Mayo or Kjerstad or Cowser, etc. but I still don't see the spot for JD. I get the "things would have to happen" comment, but for Scott, there's a clearer spot for him as he could, theoretically, plug into the spot many of us expected Hall to fill. 

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1 minute ago, jamalshw said:

I'm not sure I agree with that. I don't think either is realistic (to be clear) and it's probably not even worth me commenting, but lets face it: it's the boring time where we are pretty sure the Orioles are finished with anything of any importance, but we are waiting for the "best shape of his life" reports after the first days of spring. 

That said, I really don't see a fit for JD at all without moves. You mention Mayo, but even without him, JD is limited to DH with (perhaps) a rare exception. We know Adley will be getting some starts at DH, mostly against LHP. But the spot primarily belongs to O'Hearn vs. RHP. While I expect a regression from O'Hearn and, consequently, him losing ABs, we also have a backlog of guys needing ABs. Kjerstad could certainly get some ABs at DH. Cowser could play OF while Santander gets a partial day. Same with Henderson getting a partial day, but keeping his bat in the order while Mateo is at SS. I just don't think there are ABs to be had at the DH spot without a couple moves...and that's before factoring Mayo into the situation. Obviously, injuries happen and that could open ABs for Mayo or Kjerstad or Cowser, etc. but I still don't see the spot for JD. I get the "things would have to happen" comment, but for Scott, there's a clearer spot for him as he could, theoretically, plug into the spot many of us expected Hall to fill. 

I don’t see a fit either. I think one could be created though.

I agree Scott could be an obvious fit BUT he’s the property of another team. If they don’t want to trade him and I don’t think they do, he’s not realistic at all.

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I’m a little surprised Maton is still on the ST roster.   He’s 0 for 15 with 4 walks and 7 strikeouts.   I guess the O’s are waiting for the right time to try to slip him past waivers.

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I just learned he's the brother of Phil Maton, the long-time Astros stalwart new with the Rays.    Maybe Elias wants a certain very particular bit of competitive insight to someone he needs to teach his aircraft carriers how to beat.

The Matons went to the same high school as Jayson Werth and Reid Detmers.    Nick Maton is ~2.5 years older than Detmers so I assume he played high school 1-2 years with the probable Opening Day opponent.

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On 2/7/2024 at 9:12 PM, oriolediehard said:

Nick Maton can't hit or field.  Why do we need Maton and Nevin with all our infield prospects ready to come up?

Is he 2024's version of Brett Phillips?  Phillips could field some, but couldn't hit a lick and Hyde would do inexplicable things like use him as a regular pinch hitter. 

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1 minute ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Is he 2024's version of Brett Phillips?  Phillips could field some, but couldn't hit a lick and Hyde would do inexplicable things like use him as a regular pinch hitter. 

No. Besides not looking all that good defensively aside from 2B, his 0 for spring, the ability to plug Westburg in at SS, the addition of Wong essentially was the last nail.

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22 hours ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Is he 2024's version of Brett Phillips?  Phillips could field some, but couldn't hit a lick and Hyde would do inexplicable things like use him as a regular pinch hitter. 

Phillips had 17 at bats for the Orioles, 1 as a pinch hitter.   He was on the team less than two weeks.  https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=phillbr02&t=b&year=2022

That said, my over/under for Maton is 0.5 plate appearances.  

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