Roch: Holliday, Mayo, Kjerstad, Stowers, Norby, and Al Suarez optioned

[Frobby]

31 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

By the way, Roch seemed pretty certain that Holliday would make the team (at least from the Roch blogs that I read). I'm not a Roch blaster or hater, but it does seem like the coaches and like give him very little to no inside information. 

This has always been true.  People treat Roch’s opinions as being something he’s being fed by the team, but often his opinions are based on nothing more than him reading tea leaves like the rest of us do.

Edited March 22 by Frobby

[Tony-OH]

The one thing that is not being talked about is that Kjerstad hit his way off this team while Cowser hit his way on to the team. 

I just hope the Orioles find a way to get Cowser semi-regular at bats and don't Stowers him early in the season.

[EdwinRip]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

The one thing that is not being talked about is that Kjerstad hit his way off this team while Cowser hit his way on to the team. 

I just hope the Orioles find a way to get Cowser semi-regular at bats and don't Stowers him early in the season.

I first hope that Cowser is on the team!

[waroriole]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

The one thing that is not being talked about is that Kjerstad hit his way off this team while Cowser hit his way on to the team. 

I just hope the Orioles find a way to get Cowser semi-regular at bats and don't Stowers him early in the season.

Hyder is not exactly a master of finding ABs for promising prospects. I expect Cowser to languish on the bench and lose his hot hand. 

[HandsomeQuack]

I would hope that Cowser gets regular ABs vs RHP at the expense of Mountcastle

[Tony-OH]

3 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Hyder is not exactly a master of finding ABs for promising prospects. I expect Cowser to languish on the bench and lose his hot hand. 

I don't think Hyde sets his lineup so I'd change that to the "Orioles" are not exactly masters of finding ABs for promising prospects. I think Hyde is part of the process when it comes to giving information on the health/sickness/tiredness of the player but most of the time is going with the lineup spit out by the computer.

[ThisIsBirdland]

13 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Elias is very sharp no doubt. His ability to communicate to the press over his previous comments like, "Lift off" and now the Holliday comments is really well done. Basically he's saying they were only going to make it with injuries.

Again, the service manipulation makes sense in the long run. Would we all prefer to see Holliday and Mayo in the lineup, sure, but I'd rather see them in Orioles uniforms in 2030 for sure if that means a few weeks or so more in the minors.

As long as he doesn't earn top 2 in ROY voting whenever they do bring him up. With new ownership I think a lot of us were hoping (though not necessarily expecting) that a team with legitimate WS aspirations wouldn't play these types of games during their one season with Corbin Burnes. Be bullish that you'll have the financial backing to lock up your young core instead of making these decisions. Now they have to potentially game the call-up date to avoid the ROY contention and lose the year of service time, possibly not bringing him up until June/July. If they mess around and cost themselves needed wins because of that, it'd be very disappointing.  

Edited March 22 by ThisIsBirdland

[Tony-OH]

5 minutes ago, EdwinRip said:

I first hope that Cowser is on the team!

I think he will be with Kjerstad sent back. He can play all three outfield positions and while he's left-handed, he provides more stick than McKenna. Saying that, I would not put it past the Orioles to try and keep McKenna early on because of the left-handers expected to be faced in the first two series and then try and DFA him a few weeks in when he may get through easier.

[waroriole]

4 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I don't think Hyde sets his lineup so I'd change that to the "Orioles" are not exactly masters of finding ABs for promising prospects. I think Hyde is part of the process when it comes to giving information on the health/sickness/tiredness of the player but most of the time is going with the lineup spit out by the computer.

I’ve heard that mentioned here before. I guess it is hard for me to accept that the one job you assume the manager has is now done by Sigbot. I wonder if their formula is overly focused on a win today versus balancing it with development of young players. Hard to imagine an analytical approach that says play OHearn, Mateo, etc over Cowser. 

[RZNJ]

16 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Hyder is not exactly a master of finding ABs for promising prospects. I expect Cowser to languish on the bench and lose his hot hand. 

His hand isn't that hot.   Tons of strikeouts lately.   2 for his last 17 with 7 K's

Edited March 22 by RZNJ

[Winter]

26 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Elias is very sharp no doubt. His ability to communicate to the press over his previous comments like, "Lift off" and now the Holliday comments is really well done. Basically he's saying they were only going to make it with injuries.

Again, the service manipulation makes sense in the long run. Would we all prefer to see Holliday and Mayo in the lineup, sure, but I'd rather see them in Orioles uniforms in 2030 for sure if that means a few weeks or so more in the minors.

guess that means relying on Langford/Carter, maybe Cameniro to dominate the league?

[Frobby]

17 minutes ago, ThisIsBirdland said:

As long as he doesn't earn top 2 in ROY voting whenever they do bring him up.

I’m philosophical about it.  Finishing top 2 would mean he’s played extremely well.  Isn’t that what we want to happen?

And to be clear, only winning the ROY, not finishing top 2, gets a draft pick if the player has been on the roster all year.  Top 2 is relevant to earning a full year of service time, like Adley did, but the no. 2 in ROY voting doesn’t earn a draft pick no matter when the player was on the roster.  

[StottyByNature]

I think Mike Elias should have earned our trust by now.  I have no problem with the decision.  It’s not like they have slow played Holliday in the minors, he’s still awfully young for AAA.

If he’s as good as we think then an extra year is a perfectly reasonable play.  Cowser is going to play a lot so it fits with the notion of not breaking in too many guys at once as well.  
 

Holliday is more important to us at the end of the season than at the start anyway.  If he’s the difference between making the playoffs or not then something has gone horribly wrong this year.

[Billy F-Face3]

My feeling from the start because of Elias's comments was that they wanted Jackson to get more experuence in AAA. With how well Jackson played in Spring Training, I felt a compelling case had been made for him to make the roster, but the Orioles are thinking long term.

In my opinion, there's 4 main reasons (not in any particular order) why Jackson Holliday has been reassigned...

1. They want to give him more time learning a new position in 2nd Base, and see him as their long term franchise 2nd Basemen with Gunnar playing Shortstop.

2. He hadn't gotten alot of time in AAA last season and they want to give him more AAA experience to face LHP. 

3. They didn't want to use a spot on the 40 man roster if they didn't have to. (Elias doesn't like to expose players to waivers... Or start burning through options if it can be avoided.)

4. Service time. They get another year of service time, which makes makes more sense for the Organization in the long term. Everyone knows Holliday's agent  (Boras) has a reputation for exploiting free agency so there's no evidence to suggest Holliday would sign an extension before his free agency.

5. The Orioles are a defense first organization and they may have felt another player gives them a better defensive alignment to begin 2024.

 

In the outfield I think these moves also indicate that Cowser has probably made the roster. I think Teheran has a good shot now too.

[oldfan]

All this talk is nice  but the bigger issue is the starting pitching. If Albert Suarez is the first option when Irvin is terrible then you do have problems. I go with the thought that neither Bradish or Means will be that helpful this year.